This is a partial rebuttal to Nathan Smith’s argument that “Christianity is the death of the nation”. We have great real-life conversations on this subject, but perhaps there is some benefit in debating some of this out in public.
Firstly, I will agree that he is correct, in that Christianity is a religion unconstrained by geography. Burying the ancestors under your house and setting out a meal for them while tending the eternal flame in the hearth did bind people to the land more than Christianity does. However, it seems to me strange to claim that paganism was completely geographically rooted. Mass migrations of people (we call these ‘invasions’) were common in pagan times. They did start new families and new nations. That continued under Christianity.
Every Christian Father speaks freely about our duties to family, tribe, kinsmen, and nation with ease, while recognising that sometimes the church supersedes these duties. More often our duties to family supersede that of the church. You have a greater duty to provide for your parents than giving to the church, to use an example directly from the New Testament. Our natural bonds and duties are not dissolved by the Gospel. God has established the times and boundaries of every nation and he has multiplied languages and spread us across the world. Having your country run by foreigners, women and children is a biblical curse.
Christian nations have existed for a long time, at least since Emperor Constantine in the fourth century. Christianity eventually fully displaces the pagans in Europe and we can identify a clear uninterrupted span of 1,500 years of Christian nations in Europe, with some variance depending on definitions. During the Reformation stronger senses of national identity were developed to counter the ‘globalism’ of Rome, if you will excuse my anachronism.
Peacetime mass migration is a relatively new phenomenon. New Zealand’s migration inflows before 1980 are basically zero, by 1990 they’re at 20,000 a year, and it isn’t until the 21st century that they really ramp up to the influx of 200,000 we regularly see today. By the 1980s Christian dominance over New Zealand society was gone. No fault divorce, abortion and Sunday trading are all legalised. What’s left of institutional Christianity exists only in name and heritage. I don’t know the percentages for New Zealand, but in America 90 per cent of ‘white evangelicals’ are voting for Trump’s mass deportation policy right now.
Only under post-war liberalism does mass migration become a problem and universalist theology is elevated to the fore. A feature of Christianity is that it does not specify a system of government or a culture that people must adopt. Christianity does not care for democracy or autocracy, monarchy or republic, oligarchy or plutocracy. Only in the 20th and 21st century do we fully see Christianity employed in the context of ‘fighting for democracy’. We give our enemies democracy, liberal values, Hollywood and all manner of vices from industries that are not populated with people of Christian faith. When was the last time Christianity was made the state religion of a vanquished foe? We do impose a new religion on the defeated, but it wears the cloak of ideology and universal values that are at best a derivative of, and at worst in complete contradiction to, historic Christianity.
The claim must then be that Christianity’s universalism took a millennium and a half to slowly decay and deracinate the European peoples after they stopped worshipping their ancestors at the eternal flame in hearth and home. Is this a feature of Christianity, a ticking time bomb that happened to go off during our lifetimes, or is this a parasitical ideology that would have latched itself into any society and religion, even a pagan one?
Strangely this progressive view is one that is seriously accepted by many post-20th century Christians. Even non-Christian historians like Tom Holland in (his otherwise excellent book) Dominion embraces this view of Christian progress marching on through time. This is the ‘Whig view of history’ and the core tenet of ‘progressivism’ as an ideology: we are always getting better and more enlightened. It took 2,000 years for Christians to discover the true meaning of Christianity. The true teachings of Jesus happen to align perfectly with 20th century liberalism! What a wonderful surprise!
To put it bluntly, this is subversion and exploitation. Any religion could be exploited in this way to create rootless people. (‘Carry the ashes of your venerated ancestors with you, bro.’) The wrong political theology is popular only because it is the only socially acceptable form of theology. It is popular because it is inoffensive and not because it is a true representation of Christianity.
The issue of deracination is a subject for more discussion, but I would place the blame for rootlessness and mass migration on a combination of technological advances, rapid urbanisation, the wrong lessons learned from World War II, deliberate revenge by people carrying historic grievances, and darker spiritual forces. I would even blame the death of Christianity for the death of the nation.
Christianity has the tools needed to defend the nation. We just need a bit of time to recover them fully from the repositories of our great-grandfathers, taken from us by the post-war consensus.
Dieuwe is the editor of Right Minds NZ. - where this article was sourced. In addition to conservative politics and reactionary thought, he likes books, gardening, biking, tech, reformed theology, beauty, and tradition.
Every Christian Father speaks freely about our duties to family, tribe, kinsmen, and nation with ease, while recognising that sometimes the church supersedes these duties. More often our duties to family supersede that of the church. You have a greater duty to provide for your parents than giving to the church, to use an example directly from the New Testament. Our natural bonds and duties are not dissolved by the Gospel. God has established the times and boundaries of every nation and he has multiplied languages and spread us across the world. Having your country run by foreigners, women and children is a biblical curse.
Christian nations have existed for a long time, at least since Emperor Constantine in the fourth century. Christianity eventually fully displaces the pagans in Europe and we can identify a clear uninterrupted span of 1,500 years of Christian nations in Europe, with some variance depending on definitions. During the Reformation stronger senses of national identity were developed to counter the ‘globalism’ of Rome, if you will excuse my anachronism.
Peacetime mass migration is a relatively new phenomenon. New Zealand’s migration inflows before 1980 are basically zero, by 1990 they’re at 20,000 a year, and it isn’t until the 21st century that they really ramp up to the influx of 200,000 we regularly see today. By the 1980s Christian dominance over New Zealand society was gone. No fault divorce, abortion and Sunday trading are all legalised. What’s left of institutional Christianity exists only in name and heritage. I don’t know the percentages for New Zealand, but in America 90 per cent of ‘white evangelicals’ are voting for Trump’s mass deportation policy right now.
Only under post-war liberalism does mass migration become a problem and universalist theology is elevated to the fore. A feature of Christianity is that it does not specify a system of government or a culture that people must adopt. Christianity does not care for democracy or autocracy, monarchy or republic, oligarchy or plutocracy. Only in the 20th and 21st century do we fully see Christianity employed in the context of ‘fighting for democracy’. We give our enemies democracy, liberal values, Hollywood and all manner of vices from industries that are not populated with people of Christian faith. When was the last time Christianity was made the state religion of a vanquished foe? We do impose a new religion on the defeated, but it wears the cloak of ideology and universal values that are at best a derivative of, and at worst in complete contradiction to, historic Christianity.
The claim must then be that Christianity’s universalism took a millennium and a half to slowly decay and deracinate the European peoples after they stopped worshipping their ancestors at the eternal flame in hearth and home. Is this a feature of Christianity, a ticking time bomb that happened to go off during our lifetimes, or is this a parasitical ideology that would have latched itself into any society and religion, even a pagan one?
Strangely this progressive view is one that is seriously accepted by many post-20th century Christians. Even non-Christian historians like Tom Holland in (his otherwise excellent book) Dominion embraces this view of Christian progress marching on through time. This is the ‘Whig view of history’ and the core tenet of ‘progressivism’ as an ideology: we are always getting better and more enlightened. It took 2,000 years for Christians to discover the true meaning of Christianity. The true teachings of Jesus happen to align perfectly with 20th century liberalism! What a wonderful surprise!
To put it bluntly, this is subversion and exploitation. Any religion could be exploited in this way to create rootless people. (‘Carry the ashes of your venerated ancestors with you, bro.’) The wrong political theology is popular only because it is the only socially acceptable form of theology. It is popular because it is inoffensive and not because it is a true representation of Christianity.
The issue of deracination is a subject for more discussion, but I would place the blame for rootlessness and mass migration on a combination of technological advances, rapid urbanisation, the wrong lessons learned from World War II, deliberate revenge by people carrying historic grievances, and darker spiritual forces. I would even blame the death of Christianity for the death of the nation.
Christianity has the tools needed to defend the nation. We just need a bit of time to recover them fully from the repositories of our great-grandfathers, taken from us by the post-war consensus.
Dieuwe is the editor of Right Minds NZ. - where this article was sourced. In addition to conservative politics and reactionary thought, he likes books, gardening, biking, tech, reformed theology, beauty, and tradition.
6 comments:
Deracinate - tear up by the roots, or so my Concise Oxford Dictionary tells me. So the context of this piece is that Christianity is the root of all things good in society and isn't it awful that the people are engaging in a little lateral thinking and rejecting the notion that we are born in original sin because of the words of a talking snake. And to suggest that Christianity does not specify a system of government or a culture that people must "adopt" would be laughable if it were not so blind. What does de Boer think a theocracy is. Only the the all-time favourite system of government favoured by Christianity? And when throughout that history did the people ever get the chance to "'adopt" a theocracy? Did Constantine give the people a choice about Christianity? Did Henry VIII give the people a choice about being Anglican? Theocracies are imposed. Check out Afghanistan for the most recent example. So, now the Western world has emerged from 1500 years of tyranny that relied on Christianity to prop up its power structures, it's a bit rich for anybody to assert "Christianity has the tools needed to defend the nation". Seems to me, the nations of the world are doing very well defending themselves from Christianity, and the sooner the deracination is complete the better.
Christianity built civilizations and lifted peoples out of the ignorance and savagery that they lived under with paganism. The return to paganism that began during the rennaisance and has accelerated as a logical consequence of the protestant revolt will one again return peoples to savagery. The only difference it is that is has the appearance of being better organized and people are more guility for having known and abandoned the true religion.
Islam has an amazing track record with respect to "lifting peoples out of ignorance and savagery" too. The Islamic civilisation at its peak in the Middle Ages left the Europeans for dead.
There were some pretty impressive Hindu and Buddhist civilisations too.
This article is written from such a blinkered viewpoint that its message is easily dismissed as uninformed and naive.
While I agree with Barend that this article is easily dismissed, I take issue with his approval of Islam. Somehow Islam achieved a golden age" of intellectual achievement in the Middle Ages but that runs totally against the grain of Koranic scripture which rejects as invalid all knowledge not revealed to Muhammed. Accordingly there is now a growing suspicion that the credit properly should belong with their less constrained Jewish and Christian subjects. However, after the Iberian Reconquista was completed the European Renaissance left Islam for dead in the ideas department and that, together with Islam's own savagery, has long since caused it to forfeit all right to be considered civilized. They are the barbarians at the gates, and always will be until they produce their own Reformation. To illustrate their profound level of ignorance as a contemporary society I only have to reference Richard Dawkins observation that all the world's Muslims have fewer Nobel Prizes than his college at Cambridge.
Lols, I love the comments.
The more I listen to my Christian friends on the right and left the more I'm inclined not to agree. But I have a strong feeling Jesus wasn't like that.
And what brilliant post, the one just above mine at 12:24am. Sorry I'm not adjudicating just appreciate the well balanced input.
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