Judy’s in trouble again. Crusher failed to provide the legislation to crush terrorism? (1)
This media attack on her decision eight years ago, not to increase powers and invent new laws in the struggle against terrorism, I consider to be muck racking journalism.
If there is a fault in the Hallowed Halls of parliament, it may lie with the current governments delay progressing “terror” reform legislation as recommended by the Law Commission following the Christchurch massacre.
Social media has whacked the police for all manner of “negligence” but this time I defend the Fuzz. They were, by the accounts of the “incident” I’ve perused, been compromised but their swift “60 seconds” response does suggest to me that they were onto it. They simply had to, wait their moment.
Note: Recently I have penned a case to arm police 24/7 but the caveat is that the IPCA should be replaced by proper Courts of Law to determine police culpability. (2)
Rather than blame the current government or Hon Collins, one might instead lay the blame successive governments over the decades, for failing to fine tune the problem of there being no specific crime in the books, that apply to, “one person planning a crime”.
The question of whether an alleged ISIS sympathiser who was shot dead by police in West Auckland, should have been in prison, tends to shift the focus onto the Courts where (according to media and my understanding of what has transpired) various decisions relating to the current case, concluded:
Stages of committing a crime.
The ingredients of actus reus and mens rea – these being the elements of actually committing the crime and of having intention to commit the crime or guilty mind, are relevant, but this review focuses exclusively at the stages of crimes:
Addendum
It does not matter that the crime was to be an act of terror.
Injuring people is an existing crime under the Crimes Act.
Irrespective of my above dissection of laws which in my view do permit arrest of lone rangers, it is time this government convened and addressed diverse legal issues pertaining to Terrorism.
However, I do caution that self-promoting “jobs for life” seeking “experts” in the field of “terrorism”, will be out there screaming fear and loathing, when in fact few will have every set foot in the Middle East, never seen a scorpion or a land mine and wouldn’t know a Kalashnikov from a Russian hooker.
References:
(1) https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/auckland-mall-terror-attack-judith-collins-defends-not-fixing-law-years-ago-calls-for-new-law-for-stripping-citizenship-residency/M43GD7LCYIELNNHXBGN5PQJB4U/
(2) https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2021/07/ross-meurant-time-to-arm-all-police-247.html
Ross Meurant, graduate in politics both at university and as a Member of Parliament; formerly police inspector in charge of Auckland spies; currently Honorary Consul for an African state Trustee and CEO of Russian owned commercial assets in New Zealand and has international business interests.
Social media has whacked the police for all manner of “negligence” but this time I defend the Fuzz. They were, by the accounts of the “incident” I’ve perused, been compromised but their swift “60 seconds” response does suggest to me that they were onto it. They simply had to, wait their moment.
Note: Recently I have penned a case to arm police 24/7 but the caveat is that the IPCA should be replaced by proper Courts of Law to determine police culpability. (2)
Rather than blame the current government or Hon Collins, one might instead lay the blame successive governments over the decades, for failing to fine tune the problem of there being no specific crime in the books, that apply to, “one person planning a crime”.
The question of whether an alleged ISIS sympathiser who was shot dead by police in West Auckland, should have been in prison, tends to shift the focus onto the Courts where (according to media and my understanding of what has transpired) various decisions relating to the current case, concluded:
- A: No provisions exist in our laws to deal with an individual planning a terror event, and
- B: It is up to parliament to make the laws, not the Courts – whose task is to apply the laws with some degree of interpretation which becomes Case Law.
Stages of committing a crime.
The ingredients of actus reus and mens rea – these being the elements of actually committing the crime and of having intention to commit the crime or guilty mind, are relevant, but this review focuses exclusively at the stages of crimes:
- If one commits a robbery, one is deemed to be a principal offender and liable to be charged with, robbery.
- If one assists a person commit a robbery, e.g., collects the bandit while making an exit, the crime of being a party to the crime of robbery, might be applied.
o Usually, the penalty for being a party is half that of the
principal crime. - If a bandit intending to commit robbery, tried to enter a bank but couldn’t open the door and gets pinged by the police before the act of robbery is completed, a charge of attempted robbery may apply.
o Case denotes what stage prior to the actual crime being
committed, may render a perpetrator guilty of attempt.
§ e.g. “Couldn’t open the door”, might constitute a
pen-ultimate act, but also an anti-pen-ultimate act
– that is, a step further back from the final act of crime,
can introduced.
- Accessory after the fact, may apply where assistance is provided to a bandit by providing help to avoid detection over the days following the commission of a crime.
- If three or more person discuss and plan with intent to commit a robbery, a charge of conspiring to commit crime, could apply.
o And this is irrespective of whether they conspirators go
ahead with their plan.
- Purchasing a knife – no crime
- Collecting information on how to be a terrorist – no crime.
- The deceased did not conspire with others to injure persons – so, no conspiracy.
- The deceased did not commit the act of injuring another person.
- The deceased had not (prior to the day of his attack on other persons) taken steps which might constitute and attempt to injure person. E.g. collecting his weapons and driving to the shopping mall.
Addendum
It does not matter that the crime was to be an act of terror.
Injuring people is an existing crime under the Crimes Act.
- This was a lesson learned by the “establishment” in the aftermath of the Tuhoe Affair, where the Solicitor General had to rebuke the police for its application of “terror legislation” in lieu of using more appropriate crimes under existing law of the Arms Act and Crimes Act.
Irrespective of my above dissection of laws which in my view do permit arrest of lone rangers, it is time this government convened and addressed diverse legal issues pertaining to Terrorism.
However, I do caution that self-promoting “jobs for life” seeking “experts” in the field of “terrorism”, will be out there screaming fear and loathing, when in fact few will have every set foot in the Middle East, never seen a scorpion or a land mine and wouldn’t know a Kalashnikov from a Russian hooker.
References:
(1) https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/auckland-mall-terror-attack-judith-collins-defends-not-fixing-law-years-ago-calls-for-new-law-for-stripping-citizenship-residency/M43GD7LCYIELNNHXBGN5PQJB4U/
(2) https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2021/07/ross-meurant-time-to-arm-all-police-247.html
Ross Meurant, graduate in politics both at university and as a Member of Parliament; formerly police inspector in charge of Auckland spies; currently Honorary Consul for an African state Trustee and CEO of Russian owned commercial assets in New Zealand and has international business interests.
5 comments:
New Zealand must never, ever, pass laws that can be used to police thought.
New Zealand should, however, introduce laws that will ensure non-citizens residing in this country are treated as guests, guests who can be sent packing if they don't conform to acceptable standards of behaviour.
It seems hard to fathom that there are apparently no laws in NZ under which a person who was considered a serious and immediate threat to others, to the extent that the police were following him 24/7, could not be incarcerated for the safety of the public.
There must be more to this story. If there isn't then it would appear that either our laws or those that interpret and enforce them are not fit-for-purpose.
I heard Chris Finlayson on RNZ this morning. He mentioned the Left trying to pin the blame on this to Judith Collins. Chris reminded us that the Left were screaming at the time that the National Government was trying to turn NZ into a surveillance police state. Chris singled out John Campbell in particular for whipping up hysteria at the time. It seems the Left and associated media have very short memories.
I read that ten shots were fired Ross, i'm a little concerned that you wish all officers be armed. With marksmanship skills obviously lacking, the public should be worried.
Once you pull the trigger, you keep doing so depending on the amount of tension.. Cut lunch commando days, I always fired twice at Dart range targets. Never planned to..
There is something wrong with a system that has me paying for police to be running around the clock armed surveillance of a person who is legally allowed to be a part of the community.
Personally think 'Terrorism"' is a have. How can you have rules or wars against a tactic?? The guy who got 6 months homestay for murder was as much a terrorist as this individual.
James
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