State Your Case but Leave Out the Ad Hominem
Many of us read with interest a piece by Sir Ian Taylor, published in Stuff of 10 June (Taylor, 2025). This particular article is about Mr. David Seymour, leader of the Act Party and current Deputy Prime Minister of New Zealand. Clearly, Sir Ian disagrees with Mr. Seymour on various political and social issues and he is quite at liberty to do so. However, this piece generated a degree of negative reaction amongst many within my own circle of friends and associates, even among those who do not necessarily support the Act Party.
Surely, in order to engage in constructive dialogue, we should confine our published opinions to stating our case, outlining the objective reasons as to why we hold particular views, and explaining the bases on which we disagree with others on critical issues. Unfortunately, all too often opinion pieces in our mainstream media appear to be calculated to undermine those with whom we disagree or else to ascribe to them unkind intentions that are actually not real. And this is quite apart from the very strong left wing media bias that surely must be evident to almost everyone in this country.
Sir Ian is to be congratulated most sincerely for his undoubtedly well-deserved success as founder and managing director of Animation Research. By any standard, his career represents a spectacular achievement that reflects very positively on his business acumen and his undoubted commitment, perseverance and determination. Perhaps, partly on the basis of his business success, over recent years Sir Ian has become something of an advocate and commentator for social justice, especially in relation to Māori. Again, he is to be lauded on taking the initiative on what he believes in most strongly.
However, was it strictly necessary to write the following?
Like many, I was distracted by the sequins. The man who tangoed into our living rooms on Dancing with the Stars. More jester than artist. A novelty act in lycra. But back then we kept him in the game long after the judges had given up on him. And we’ve done it again. We’ve allowed Seymour to dance his way into the second most powerful position in the country...Innocuous perhaps, and some people will find all of this quite funny, but it takes neither intellect nor courage to write ill-mannered or condescending prose that diminishes others. Unfortunately, New Zealand’s left wing media is most happy to publish such pieces and there is a ready audience for such material. But, to many of us, such text constitutes yet more argumentum ad hominem; once again intending to undermine the credibility of another person, rather than engaging in rational exchange of perspectives. To quote one of our recent Prime Ministers – this is not who we are! Or at least, it shouldn’t be.
Argumentum Ad Hominem
Argumentum ad hominem is Latin for "argument to the person”, whereby an opinion or argument is dismissed on the basis of the character or subjective qualities of the person holding the opinion or making the argument, rather than on the content of the argument itself.
Further . . .
This was classic Seymour. Sharp, certain, self-congratulatory, and completely at odds with the world we see unravelling around us.OK. Mr. Seymour is a public figure and every such individual learns to accept criticism, vilification and becoming the object of sometimes pernicious satire. Undoubtedly, Mr. Seymour is quite capable of defending himself. But I see nothing self-congratulatory about Mr. Seymour. Many of us happen to believe that New Zealand needs Mr. Seymour, just as we need others on the opposite side of the parliamentary floor to articulate equal and opposite perspectives. Out of such disparate views may sometimes emerge a positive way forward.
In any case New Zealand is a nation that up to the last few years has supported free speech – though today free speech is under genuine threat. Thus we accept Sir Ian’s right to parody a public figure, provided that he does not stray beyond certain limits that include defamation, incitement to violence or hate speech. Indeed, Sir Ian has very prudently constrained his words to lie within those bounds. However, in that same context of freedom of expression and the right to hold personal and sometimes unpopular views, many people agree with Mr. Seymour on many things, but especially on the Treaty Principles Bill (Lillis, 2024) – a Bill that clearly worried Sir Ian and many others.
The Treaty Principles Bill
However, any claim that the Treaty Principles Bill would have undermined particular populations in New Zealand does not stack up to scrutiny. Those of us who supported that Bill did not intend to undermine anyone. Rather it was the exact opposite. We were and still are concerned about overreach. We worry about what seems like unceasing demands for privilege that are based on ancestry, but for one ethnic and cultural group almost exclusively.
We worry about . . .
Demands for political and economic powers that are grossly in excess of the relative presence of one ethnic and cultural group in New Zealand’s total population.
Demands for parts of the conservation estate and ownership of much of water, including reticulated water and the foreshore and seabed.
Demands that one cultural world view was to sit centrally to each and every subject within the national curricula at every level; curricula that were indeed to be forced on each and every child, regardless of ethnicity, religion or country of origin, and on each and every school.
Demands that our universities should be indigenized in accordance with one minority world view only.
Demands that our universities deliver compulsory courses that are based on one interpretation of a certain historic document and one particular minority world view.
Demands for special treatment in education and health, and an extremely dominant presence in our Health Act – the Pae Ora (Healthy Futures) Act 2022.
Demands that one historic document and one ethnic and cultural group should have prominence in the mission statements and constitutions of our regulatory bodies.
Demands that one form of folk medicine should exist outside relevant health legislation.
Demands that one traditional world view only should sit within the wider ambit of New Zealand law.
Demands for special treatment in research funding and a further demand for equal funding for one form of traditional knowledge and modern science - but not for other knowledge systems.
Demands for equality of status between one form of traditional knowledge and modern global science.
Demands that appointees to many positions of influence within our universities and public service should have particular ancestry or, at least, should demonstrate adherence to a particular interpretation of one historic document.
A media that willingly publishes traditional knowledge claims that have no scientific basis, but that refuses to publish the countermanding responses of scientists.
Expectations that one ethnic and cultural group only can behave with arrogance, rudeness and belligerence, demonstrating genuine contempt for our Parliament.
The above list is incomplete but sometimes seems almost endless.
Sir Ian should read the Healthy Futures Act and see for himself. There, the word “Māori” appears 473 times across 84 sections – though some of these mentions do relate to the disestablishing of the Māori Health Authority. By comparison, Pacific people, whose health indices are actually worse than those of Māori (Lillis, 2023), appear only 18 times. We see no mention at all of either our Asian people or our New Zealand European people or other populations, for that matter. This is the kind of overreach that bothers many New Zealanders, and such overreach explains partly why we supported the Treaty Principles Bill in the first place.
Sir Ian asserts that, beneath its bland title, the Bill can be used to strike out laws that honour Te Tiriti o Waitangi, protect the environment, or support collective wellbeing. Apart from questions on what it means to honour a document of two centuries into the past, and when and where it may or may not be appropriate to do so, surely we could make equivalent claims about almost any possible legislation or other social or political initiative.
Addressing Disparity and Poverty
I fully endorse Sir Ian’s commitment to social justice and we should listen when he speaks of failures that see thousands of children in New Zealand living below the poverty line; children going to school hungry, or not going at all. Children sleeping in cars, or with grandparents. Reports of some as young as eleven, living homeless in the streets.
These things are real but successive governments, both right and left, have struggled over many decades to address poverty and disparity. Nevertheless what Mr. Seymour tell us is also true – that, as a general rule, people have never lived this long, been this happy, this healthy, this free from violence, this prosperous and well nourished. Surely Mr. Seymour is correct when he says that liberalism has won and that the task ahead is to keep expanding those spheres of liberty. Much work is yet to be done to close the existing gaps and improve the quality of life for all New Zealanders, and surely everyone who comments on political or social issues, including Sir Ian and most of New Zealand’s political parties, are attempting in their own way to achieve equality of opportunity and social justice.
A Sense of Humour or Something Else?
Perhaps Sir Ian elicited laughs around the country from the following:
Seymour must have known his Treaty Principles Bill was going nowhere. His dancing partners in the coalition had made that clear. But this is where Seymour performs best. I believe the Bill was his lycra outfit, costing taxpayers millions, but meant to distract us from the real prize: the Regulatory Standards Bill.An innocent, tongue-in-cheek, jibe at a public figure?! Perhaps so. It is not exactly nasty, nor defamatory, and possibly Mr. Seymour himself sees the joke. But it seems to many of us that this sort of journalism is inherently negative. It offers nothing constructive and seeks to undermine rather than to persuade.
And, on the day his colleagues clashed in the chamber over the Te Pāti Māori haka ruling, Seymour, the man who lit this particular fire, had left the tent. He was on a new dance floor at Oxford University, in the land of Queen Victoria, the Crown’s signatory to Te Tiriti, dancing his Treaty Tango.OK. More humour! Indeed, free speech of a kind! And maybe is it naïve to think that in politics we must always be gentle and kind. Perhaps in the real world of the public square kindness and civility are often a weakness. However, does this sort of discourse help us to repair old wounds, heal fractures or address inequality?
Here we recall an old adage, attributed originally to Oscar Wilde – that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit but the highest form of intelligence. However, it takes no intellect at all, nor courage, to deride or caricature other human beings, especially when we are fully confident of a receptive audience.
Sir Ian poses a rhetorical question - when the music stops, who will be left to face the consequences? Surely, we are already facing the consequences of several years of Treaty overreach. A more polarised society than at any time in living memory. A Public Service that appears almost to have forgotten the quarter of our population that is neither Māori nor European. An education system that up to now has been in long term decline. These things and much more.
Those who articulate cynical opinions about other people, and indeed those who publish such material, should take a good look in the mirror and ask themselves whether what they do is truly for the betterment of this country.
Dr David Lillis trained in physics and mathematics at Victoria University and Curtin University in Perth, working as a teacher, researcher, statistician and lecturer for most of his career. He has published many articles and scientific papers, as well as a book on graphing and statistics.
References
Lillis, David (2023). Our Prioritised Health System and Pacific People
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2023/01/david-lillis-our-prioritised-health.html
Lillis, David (2024). A View on the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Bill
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2024/12/david-lillis-view-on-principles-of.html
Taylor, Ian (2025). Seymour’s rise to the second seat with power far beyond his mandate
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360716927/ian-taylor-seymours-rise-second-seat-power-far-beyond-his-mandate?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
21 comments:
Why even read that rubbish? Who cares what ex Play School presenters think? The more you read Stuff and other far left publications the more income they can generate, so the more propaganda they spew.
I'm more interested in knowing what happened to Big Ted.
Well said.
The comments made by Taylor are a clear indication of how misdirected knighthoods are; given often for bugger all, and then used as a licence to get publicity for comments that the relevant newspapers will not allow to be answered in their letter columns. Not only are the newspapers left wing, they employ censorship across the board for any opinion other than those they espouse. Both disgraceful and anti-intellectual.
I used to read Sir Ian's pieces with interest, sadly he has been consumed by his own feeling of importance. Like many a celebrity, he has taken to lecturing rather than debating. Deriding those with a different opinion.
He will, of course, have his fanboys. Those that swallow every delicious barb, rejoice at the insults. Me, I just scroll on by, uninterested in the ravings of a self appointed priest of the truth.
Taylor gets regular play in mainstream media as he fits the narrative on all things . Writers with opposing views do not get any or are limited in what they can say by the rules of the particular msm . All msm in this country is written for opposition party supporters. Gareth Morgan used to be msm champion of angry rich man championing the poor, now Taylor fills the role.
has Taylor hazarded a view of Hipkins, Waititi, Packer etc?
Taylor, Dame Anne Salmond and their yapping ilk....... they fear Seymour's vision and common sense.
Agree with most of the comments here. He will get air time due to his far left views
I think the answer to this is that Seymour has been a showman, and what Taylor is trying to do is suggest that there is in his view something more dangerous behind the showman persona (I know people who vote ACT partly because of this showman stuff). I wish he'd be a better constituency MP: a friend in his electorate wrote to him last year about a policy matter and asking questions. No response. So she joined a street-corner meeting he was running and read the letter out, pointing out the failure to respond. She later got a call from his staffer and a written response. In the neighbouring electorate, mine, Brooke van Velden is similarly tardy with correspondence. These people have staff, so this kind of thing shouldn't happen. Sir Ian knows he can get attention, and he has an audience that most of us ordinary folks lack, so he's addressing it.
Given his worldly knowledge, perhaps Sir Ian could explain why Maori hurt and kill their children more than any other ethnicity on the planet, including those that have been colonised in a fashion akin to what the Maori did to the Moriori, and those others reputedly here before them? And why others who have come here with nothing, much less the benefit of the common language and/or their parents, and in less than a generation have achieved vastly more than that significant cohort of Maori that represent the worst in NZ's statistics?
And here's a chap that's used very much the tech, motivation and work ethic of the "colonizer" to make his fortune, and yet sings the praises of a stone age culture that have given mankind what precisely that I couldn't write on the back of an envelope with a carpenter's pencil? (Note, I've given him the benefit of the doubt and have expanded the usual postage stamp.)
I think Sir Ian is a nice bloke in person (I have met him a number of times) but with his commentary he falls into the category of "problem admirer" These are the folk that are always telling us that this or that is wrong as if we are unaware, in fact the fashionable "raising awareness" stunts on various issues are always that problem admiring.
What they lack is any sort of problem resolution, unless it is some simple bumper sticker like tax the rich or give kids lunches. They always fail to consider that life is a multi variable problem with a lot of interconnections and dependencies.
Please don't spend time telling me what is wrong, please focus on how we can fix it.
Seymour is a communicator - more effective than most, Brook van Velden also. NZ is so lucky to have politicians of this calibre.
Those who habitat the left are equally infected with the same cancerous traits of fear, loathing and envy. Mr Taylor is no exception.
No enthusiasm for ACT (or any politicians) who don't engage with constituents. Dr Parmjeet Parmar offers another problem: beats the drum about what's wrong with Maori, and as an Indian, cops racism on her Fb page. Yours truly engages on Parmar's page without being racist - and is blocked. So am rather over ACT, especially given this hypocrisy over 'free speech'. They're smart politically, but it's largely blather for public consumption, and there's an appetite for that.
I keep coming back to this article, once I read it, I waited to see what comments were placed.
I think those who have placed a comment 'have nailed the problem' that Ian Taylor faces - 'more hui, lack of doeey' [ i use a comment that Alan Duff used - and was placed on the proverbial bonfire by Maori for it] .
In the 'context' of that comment, my question for Ian Taylor is - "since your beginnings into commerce, the growth of your business, the award for Services to.., what have you done [or encouraged] from then- to now for Maoridom since then"?
To me you are like other 'entiled Maori' - all word but no action, something that Alan Duff pondered on -
1.- his Book - "A Conversation with my Country (2019)
2. - Once Were Warriors, that Book then later Film that highlighted then and still does the 'inner workings of Maoridom' which many Kiwi's ' evoked the Tall Poppy Syndrome' - but sadly then (as of now) has proven to be correct.
And Ian Taylor, you need to note, if you ever read the article and posted comments - the feelings that have been expressed - thus my question [again] -" What to do you [and others of your ilk] - intend to do, to start a rectifying of the issues that Face Maoridom"?
And whilst you ponder this, keep in mind we have in NZ 2 Major Maori Tribes that have more money than our Reserve Bank.
Excellent article, David, soundly observed. One would have hoped that someone of Sir Ian Taylor's standing would have the dignity to avoid an ad hominem attack on David Seymour, but rather engage in a constructive discussion on New Zealand's constitutional future.
To anon @ 8.33
Great questions.
From memory about 2-3 years ago a group of wealthy nz'ers which included Taylor were pushing to pay more taxes. Someone followed up and discovered not one of them had voluntary paid any money.
This is the insidious left for you. They are all hypocrites, Taylor included. Message to Taylor, time to put up . Taylor's problem is that the more he says, the less people believe him.
Suspiciously, Taylor’s sentence cadence, choice of metaphor, figures of speech and syntax, at least for this article, is artificial intelligence inspired. ‘Write me something satirical to attack David Seymour,’ he commanded and we see the result.
Oh dear, everyone gunning for Taylor. Meanwhile Seymour's Facebook page has him going for Prof Michael Baker on one post and on another, nominating Dr George Laking from Auckland Uni as Victim of the Day of "Regulatory Standards Derangement Syndrome". All class. The pitch against Prof Baker targets comments from a group of people, mostly academics, but also Geoffrey Palmer. Seymour is singling out Baker, as he knows some people link him with Labour due to the Covid years. Probably not going to risk saying that Palmer lacks legal knowledge - and most people won't read the actual article. So he dishes it out, as he would to Dr Lillis in the unlikely event that Lillis targetted ACT. I've no respect for Seymour, but he's very clever politically. And of course he champions freedom of speech for academics, blahdy blahdy blah...
To the anonymous writer of the last post - thank you for alerting us to David Seymour's Facebook page. I have checked it out. Frankly, I would prefer that Mr. Seymour had not used the term "My Patient of the Day" in referring to George Laking, but otherwise Mr. Seymour's posts on George Laking and Michael Baker do not contain the snide and undermining material that we saw in Sir Ian Taylor's Stuff article of 10 June and from other authors elsewhere. In general terms New Zealand needs unbiased media and to get rid of the ad hominem that we see so often in our left wing media. David Lillis
Dr Lillis, Dr Laking was 'Victim of the Day' in the meme and then 'Patient of the Day' in Seymour's comments. Seymour is using his own very wide platform to ridicule Dr Laking. At the same time, he represents himself as a champion of academics' free speech against the pressures of university administrations. He's a showman, just as he was in 'Dancing with the Stars', and driving up the steps of Parliament House - someone who just does and says what fits the political moment.
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