I have also become increasingly concerned about the globalist direction which New Zealand is taking and some of it just seems daft; particularly the treatyist diktats. There was an informative article on Breaking Views by Michael Rainsborough (here) about the declining situation in Britain. In particular, Rainsborough claimed that Britain and Europe are more “advanced down the road towards the multicultural dystopia”.
Is there a meaningful similarity between Britain and New Zealand? There were two relevant clips on YouTube recently by my favourite Pommie commentators, which also seem pertinent to New Zealand: Nigel Farage on GBNews (29 August, here) and Alex Philips on TalkTV (4 September, here).
Nigel Farage and Illegal Migrants on GBNews, 29 August (here). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv0UZMmCPKk
Nigel Farage had two guest panellists on his show to discuss possible changes being made to illegal migration by the British Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer; they were former attorney general, Sir Michael Ellis and Lord Morris Glasman.
Britain has obligations regarding illegal migrants due to provisions in the European Court of Human Rights Treaty of 1950 (ECHR) which have been incorporated into the British Human Rights Act 1998 (HRA). The discussion on Farage’s show was about how UK courts interpret ECHR provisions and whether the Human Rights Act 1998 has strayed from its original intent.
There are similarities with the situation in New Zealand regarding the Treaty of Waitangi. For example, Justice Cooke stated in 1987 that the Treaty of Waitangi is “akin to a partnership”, not that it is a partnership, whereas the HRA says UK courts must “take into account” judgments from the ECHR, not that they are bound by them. The force of both treaties has been increasing over time.
Farage begins by noting that several British politicians have recently commented on Britain withdrawing from the ECHR arrangement, including Lord Blunkett, Labour MP Joe White and Jack Straw.
He then mentions the point that “in the original human rights act it stated that British courts should take account of judgments from the European Court of Human Rights in Strasburg. But it seems instead they’re interpreting this as following the Treaty which was never the intention.”
What Sir Michael Ellis then said could have been about the Treaty of Waitangi rather than the Treaty of the ECHR: “… as you've said, Nigel, the fact is that over the years, this has been over interpreted. It has lost its original provenance, as you would expect after several decades, and it has now become something that it wasn't. It's become if you like, a monster. We have created over the period of time a Frankenstein monster where it takes precedence over other things.”
Farage then says, “So this seems to me that it's all the fault of your lot. It's the legal profession. …” To which Ellis responds, “It’s decades of judicial mission creep is what it is… The intention was recognizing the horrors of World War II… Now we have a situation where it's so over interpreted that courts have ruled that if you know if someone doesn't have a mobile phone when they arrive illegally in this country then that is in breach of their human rights. It's not what was intended. It's run out of control and it needs radical change.”
Now, that is similar to the New Zealand situation: They have each begun with treaties which dealt with a particular historical situation and each of those treaties has been inflated over time to deal with a different situation. The New Zealand treaty has been reinterpreted to mean the opposite of what it literally says, and the Europe treaty has been reinterpreted to apply to groups of people other than Nazis.
Both are in thrall to the judiciary.
Alex Phillips and the Fabian Society on TalkTV, 4 September (here). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6TKF94tEaI
Alex Phillips had two guest panellists on her 4 September show to discuss Fabianism: political strategist Joseph Robertson and barrister Steven Barrett.
The Fabian Society is a British socialist organisation which promotes social democracy, equality, public service, and democratic governance and is committed to gradualist reform rather than revolutionary change. It was founded in 1884 and Orwell named his book Nineteen Eighty-Four because he figured it would take them a century to realize their aims. The Society is headquartered in London and has around 8,000 members. It is affiliated with the British Labour Party – all the Labour Prime Ministers have been members as well as half of Sir Keir Starmer’s cabinet – and it plays a key role in shaping Labour policy and intellectual direction. Other members include the attorney general, Lord Herma, the mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, and the Governor of the Bank of England.
The outcome of socialist Fabianism, according to Alex Phillips, is that “Your western values, your culture, your customs, your heritage, your capitalism, your progress, your profitability, your prosperity, all of it is going to be destroyed. Even the concept of a nation state, because that is their radical end goal.”
Joseph Roberston adds, “It's very much a mission to destroy the nation’s state and rebuild it piece by piece. And I think Tony Blair was one of their key assets in doing this.” (Tony Blair’s government implemented an ‘open borders’ migration policy for Eastern European migrants in 2004. The Home Office predicted 5-13k p.a., but it peaked at 200k p.a., which contributed to Brexit.) Robertson continues, “He began what I call the backdoor to cultural regicide because of course Marxists love nothing more than beheading a king…”
Phillips then says to Barrett the barrister, “Talk to me about how the Fabians have essentially built this edifice which has essentially stripped the country of democracy and stripped those who really do wield power of any accountability.”
Barrett responds that the Court of Appeal judge who heard the Bell Hotel Epping case (an asylum seekers’ hotel) is also a Fabian and should have recused himself due to apparent bias.
Barrett also claimed that, “we appear to be in the middle of something that is just not decent, moral, or good or professional or it seems to be some sort of cultish ideology.” Now, it seems to me, he could be talking about New Zealand treatyism. Barrett continues, “And that I think is why the country is falling apart because when you have non-merit-based recruitment, your country actually ends up being pretty rubbish. I mean, all they care about is furthering the aims of the Fabian Society and furthering their little cultish aims. Well, that's great, but we actually care about things like the national debt, the economy, you know, justice, law and order, and all of these things are being removed by Fabian.”
Phillips then says, “They've wanted to see the dismantlement of western culture and Christianity because actually that is probably the toughest barricade towards there being a one world government.”
Robertson responds, saying, “Everything they do is to try and centralize. The nation state is not good for them because it fractures it. It gives you a loyalty to something that isn't central. They want you to own nothing and be happy essentially; which language we heard before, of course, from the World Economic Forum which pushes an agenda that is started both by the Fabians and also by another group, the Frankfurt School, who were influential in pushing European communism. These are all very similar movements. They all have similar end goals. the destruction of the nuclear family, the destruction of religion, the destruction of the nation state, the centralization of funds, the taking away the right to private property. These are very, very sinister people and they do it essentially, as Steven has outlined, through international law, through globalization, through super nationalization, through taking away your ties to what is real and immediate and secure and in your community.”
Robertson continues, “They're out in the open now. They're prowling and they will catch us unless we actually get our act together, get a majority in, in 2029 or sooner than that, and slash the administrative state because that’s where they sit. They sit in Whitehall. They sit in the judiciary. They sit on the boards of universities. These are not all politicians. It happens that they have a political government that is completely expedient to their will right now. But even when the Tories were in, they were working.”
In New Zealand, the Wellington Fabian Society was established in 1934 by Peter Fraser and Walter Nash, both Labour Prime Ministers, who organized a lecture by George Bernard Shaw, one of the original British Fabians. The New Zealand Fabian Society was established in 2009 and Jacinda Ardern, Grant Robertson and David Parker have appeared at Fabian Society events or been associated with its policy discussions. Breaking Views commentator Gaynor (2 June 2025, here) has written that the Fabian Society’s approach to socialism was absorbed into New Zealand through progressive education in the 1950s. This goes some way to filling my Black Hole of explanatory deficit.
Robertson then gives the main concerns, “And of course, the biggies, I would argue, is this constant mad open border stuff where they say, ‘Well, we can't do anything, international law.’ They don't want to do anything. They believe in flooding the nation with people from the outside world. They want to see it happen.”
I cannot help but see the parallel with Maori tribalism here in New Zealand; I suspect that ‘they’ want it to happen.
Robertson further says, “… we’re in government because the UK is not just in an economic crisis. It is absolutely bankrupt. I don't think people realize quite how bad the figures are not just on immigration but also on the economy.”
I have summarized the position of the British economy from “Unhinged Labour risks wrecking the economy” by Ken Costa, 7 September 2025 (here) and from the Daily Mail, 3 September (here), as follows: Britain’s budget deficit could be as high as £50 billion and the Labour Government are considering increasing taxes to reduce it. Investors are betting that more bonds will need to be issued to finance further borrowing. The yield on UK 30-year Government bonds (gilts) has recently increased to its highest level in 27 years (5.7%), which is an indication that investor confidence is waning. The welfare budget, which is increasing due to migrant benefits, should be addressed first, but under the Labour Government high taxes are being used to finance a socialist agenda.
Bond yields are also increasing in Europe; especially in France, the government of which is facing imminent collapse.
Tory frontbencher Andrew Griffith claimed: “Labour are leading us towards economic oblivion.” Conservative MP Tom Tugendhat posted on X: “We're broke. And if we don't decide how to tighten our belts it will be decided for us by those who refuse to lend us the money.”
Robertson also says, “If we have to go to the IMF for the charity check, you know what they do? They put in place their terms and conditions. They come in and essentially start deciding what we're taxed and how this country is run in order to get that money to bail us out.”
Michael Rainsborough outlines two scenarios: the first, that the degeneration of Britain, or the breakdown of civilisation generally, is due to elite incompetence and mismanagement; and the other, that it is intentional, a deliberate course imposed upon society. However, he thinks it is not simply that some elites are incompetent, but that there are patterns in their actions, and patterns imply purpose.
Are those same patterns evidenced in New Zealand? Exclusive benefits for non-European races, for example? Or Two-Tier Keir’s Britain and new Zealand’s two-tier justice system (here). If so, those patterns imply a purpose of a common cause, such as that of the United Nations, the World Economic Forum and the Fabian Society.
So, what is constitutionally and financially occurring in Britain could also be happening, albeit somewhat delayed, in New Zealand.
The Spectator Article, 5 September 2025
The day after Phillips’ TalkTV show, The Spectator ran a piece “The truth about the Fabian Society” by Stephen Pollard who had been the Research Director of the Fabian Society for four years in the 1990s (here).
Pollard says that stories about the Fabian Society, such as that by Phillips, are conspiracy theories. He also says he knows Lord Justice Bean from when he was chairman of the Fabian Research Committee to which Pollard reported. He says that Bean is an intellectually open, decent and honourable man, well suited to the bench. Bean is the judge whom Steven Barrett reported to the Judicial Conduct Investigations Office for not recusing himself due to apparent bias in the Bell Hotel Epping case.
Pollard asks, “Does it matter that so many people online seem to think that membership of a harmless, worthy and – truth to tell – slightly dull organisation is in fact evidence of a secret society that is bent on subverting the West?”
Yes, I think that public opinion does matter and could possibly be well founded. But what matters more is a rational argument based on the evidence of the outcomes of their deeds. I expect that would take a book-length thesis which I have yet to locate. Nevertheless, I am sufficiently piqued to think Britain has a problem with globalism and socialism resulting in a fiscal deficit and that we could have a similar problem here now and more so in the future.
Conclusion
Where I come from – working class New Zealand – being in debt is wrong because it is a sure sign you are not earning your living. I can understand that the colonists needed to borrow money to build the country, but that should have been paid back a long time ago. We should be in the ‘cash cow’ stage now and flush with cash. Instead, we have been rashly living beyond our means.
In recent interviews promoting his memoir Anything Could Happen, Grant Robertson, then Minister of Finance, addressed the issue of borrowing money to finance the Covid lock-down. He stood by the level of Covid-era spending; he claimed that some critics argued he should have spent even more and that Treasury had supported continued spending in late 2021.
I wonder if we too have a problem with borrow-and-spend social democrats embedded in our institutions. Margaret Thatcher famously summed that up as, “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples’ money.” Are we just following Britain down the rat-hole?
Is it also part of the socialists’ plan to get us further in debt to global banks so they can impose constitutional arrangements on our country? That would further globalism and further reduce our democratic power.
In any case, socialism is not the answer. We need rationalism; that is, an evidence based logical argument for each particular issue rather than a blanket ideology. If you want an example of a rational politician, watch David Seymour addressing the media in the foyer of Parliament. I don’t necessarily agree with him, but he uses the right method. We need all of Parliament to take that approach.
Barrie Davis is a retired telecommunications engineer, holds a PhD in the psychology of Christian beliefs, and can often be found gnashing his teeth reading The Post outside Floyd’s cafe at Island Bay.
References
“Nigel Farage: ‘It’s happening…’ | Is Starmer about to reform the ECHR?” GBNews, Nigel Farage, 29 August 2025. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv0UZMmCPKk
“‘Started Doing Some Digging’| Alex Phillips ‘INVESTIGATES’ The Fabian Society,” TalkTV, 4 September 2025. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6TKF94tEaI
“The truth about the Fabian Society,” The Spectator, Stephen Pollard, 5 September 2025. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-truth-about-the-fabian-society/
New Zealand Fabian Society Records in the National Library; 10 items https://natlib.govt.nz/records/22372376
2 comments:
Obviously a deep thinker Barrie, but this seems over the head of Luxon. How to turn things around though? At least David Seymour is attempting to raise relevant issues.
Carrying things to the extreme is the problem. A few genuine refugees should be welcomed but it should not be compulsory to accept overwhelming numbers of people. It is inevitable they will stretch a countries resources. Britain being a similar size to New Zealand, have many people arriving in boats daily who are not being vetted. No wonder the British are fed up!
As for New Zealand, we are no longer "British". We are no longer "Maori",That's in the past. We have many cultures. Politicians pandering and distributing vast quantities of money on a multitude of Maori entities and grievances can't be helping the finances. The "colonisation" argument has no merit whatsoever. Our politicians are constantly furthering their own agendas whilst disregarding the citizens. A British type revolt will eventuate here probably if this keeps up.
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