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Wednesday, June 14, 2023

Clive Bibby: Defence alliances that will work for us


l wonder why our Prime Minister is placing so much importance on unconfirmed high level talks with President Chi of China just before the election. One might argue that he could better spend his time at home dealing with internal problems- some of which are of his own making, rather than trying to impress an overseas dictator of his competence to lead and speak on behalf of an inconsequential little country at the bottom of the South Pacific.

At the same time, it is interesting to note the flurry of activity amongst those Pacific Nations who are rightly alarmed by Chinese expansionist policies that could seriously affect their and our ability to trade with the rest of the world.

Why would we want to be currying favour with a brutal regime set on world dominance at a time when everyone else not aligned or subjected to Chinese influence is trying to build a combined deterrent in response to the superpower’s demonstrated belligerent behaviour.

Especially when the  facts about our own vulnerable position on the world stage is a matter of grave concern.

It is a matter of conjecture as to whether our existing outdated defence agreements with our traditional allies would be adequate to counter any Chinese threat if they chose to penalise us simply because of our association with those who have acted on our behalf as an effective deterrent in the past.

The recent defence agreement involving the members of Aukus but tellingly, no longer including us, is the clearest indication of how we rank as a reliable partner if a major conflict between the US and China erupted over Taiwan’s desire to remain an independent country.

Even for the most impartial observer, the message for us is unequivocal.

We are no longer seen as the close ally that we were after WW2 where we had demonstrated to be a force who punched above our weight in some of the most significant battles of the war - the North African and Italian campaigns to name just two. Our reward for those exemplary efforts was to be seen as an equal cornerstone nation in the Anzus accord.

But times have changed and unfortunately it is OUR reliability that is now in question.

Some of our long term closest friends are starting to doubt our trustworthiness.

Those kiwis who made the ultimate sacrifice during the previous World Wars must be turning in their graves.

These days, the threats we must deal with close to home are much more important than even those we overcame all those years ago on behalf of the free world on battlefields so far away. This time our defence capabilities would be wiped out in a nanosecond if the current defence partners we rely on either decide not to engage on our behalf or are themselves forced to withdraw from the Pacific in order to lick their wounds and regroup.

So, it is clear that we have a choice.

Either to pretend that we want to remain an independent, non aligned country, seeking to trade with whoever wants to buy what we have to sell or - to make it clear to both our potential allies and our likely enemies as to who’s side we are on if push comes to shove.

In the modern era, we can’t have it both ways and we shouldn’t be trying.

If our potential enemies see us as a committed ally to a group of formidable Pacific and Asian nations who share our values and beliefs, that in itself may act as the deterrent we would need that has the capacity to keep us safe.

My problem with the current Government’s attempt to be all things to all men is that in a major skirmish, we won’t be able to sit on the side-lines hoping that our independence will keep us from harm’s way. We will all be involved whether we like it or not.

The next world war, like the last two, will be fought between two major power blocks but the consequences of a nuclear conflict could mean the end of civilisation as we know it - relative minor wars like Ukraine are survivable as long as they don’t involve the ultimate weapon.

A modern war involving nuclear weapons is un-winnable for either side but that will not stop those who are unanswerable to their own people from pushing the boundaries until we are engaged in something that will kill us all.

I believe that our best chance of survival In those circumstances is simply to ensure it doesn’t happen and the best way to do that is for us to demonstrate we are reliable allies in a counter force recognisable by our opponents as unbeatable.

While we like to consider ourselves as a little group of islands down at the bottom of the South Pacific, our credibility as a sovereign nation prepared to stand up to the bullies will be enhanced by deeds - not just words.

Our membership of effective alliances will determine whether we survive or not - that is if they want and feel they can trust us!

Clive Bibby is a commentator, consultant, farmer and community leader, who lives in Tolaga Bay.

6 comments:

Ewan McGregor said...

“Why would we want to be currying favour with a brutal regime set on world dominance[?]”. Because China is way our biggest trading partner; that’s why. For that reason, I’m all for the Prime Minister, any N Z prime minister, visiting China. Our interests are at stake. Further, when national leaders leave our shores to represent our interests, partisanship is left at the door. That’s as it should be.

China’s human rights are far from perfect, but that has never been an impediment to trade; we’ve been quick, for instance, to sell meat to some Middle East countries that had appalling human rights – and buy their oil. Of course, it is different if a country is engaged in an act of war, as Russia is today.

It is true that China is acting threateningly toward Taiwan, but so far no more than that. Let’s hope that peace endures, for the consequences of such an invasion doesn’t bear thinking about. One American commentator has theorised that a likely clash between China and the U S would not involve nuclear retaliation under Biden, but could possibly under a Republican president; God forbid, Trump. So, time is running out for Xi Jinping if he wanst to make war. We can only hope that either scenario does not happen.

But if such eventuates, I have no doubt that we will ally ourselves with the side of right, as we did in two world wars. (And Mr Bibby’s claim that “Those kiwis who made the ultimate sacrifice during the previous World Wars must be turning in their graves” is a presumption he often makes to support his point of view, but which he has no right to do so. No one’s asking them. In my experience, though, those returned servicemen appeared to have had no doubts that the country they lived in justified the sacrifices of the fallen, and of the survivors.)

But surely Xi Jinping can see consequences of unleashing war. China’s prosperity has risen dramatically over the last 30 or so years, and it is due to trade. She is now the biggest trade partner of no less than 80 on the world’s nations. What would an act of war do to her interests? Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is the answer.

International interdependence through trade is a great force for peaceful coexistence, and no nation has fought more doggedly for free trade more than this one. Global trade has escalated over the last three or so decades well in excess of collective economic growth, largely, indeed, due to the rise of China, and the technology of the shipping container. As far as I’m concerned, the more heads of governments from around the world who visit Beijing to plead peaceful cooperation the better.

Anonymous said...

All past NZ govts have progressively run down our defense forces. We now have an armed force smaller than the New York police force.
Lange upset our US allies by denying ship entry. Clarke further upset the US by welshing on the F-16 deal,(we wound up paying for them anyway) then wondering why the US blocked attempts to sell our skyhawks.Most of these are still here in hanger corners around the country.(we only sold 8).
When wars happen today, you do not have a 3 year build up time, like the Falklands war, you go to war with what you have on hand.
We need to make a credible effort to support our allies.

Anonymous said...

The deteriorating dynamics of the global order do indeed require a rethink of NZ' defence/vulnerability policy.

We are too vulnerbale without allies.

It remains unclear why AUKUS is being touted as "not for us". Why?

There is currently nothing stopping a capable hostile power putting a sub into Auckland harbour and taking over this country.

Anyone who thinks we are not worthy of takeover needs a reality check. We have some of the world's best water, agriculture, fisheries, forestry, clean air and land - we are a jewel in an increasingly deprived world.

We need to to join AUKUS and NATO. Geography is not a barrier. And we need to update our thinking on nuclear powered vessels.

Ted said...

Wars tend to fall int two categories, the imposition of an ideology or the quest for resources. As pointed out previously, we have some of the world's best water, agriculture, fisheries, forestry, clean air and land. Add to that coal and gas reserves. A foreign power would not be bothered with the issues of mining on DoC land (or anywhere else). Water, especially clean, potable water, is the new 'oil'. Everyone needs it and we have got it to spare by world standards.
Whether we are potentially subject to conquest by force or stealth, as a country we need to have 'friends' who have similar ideals and would be willing to ensure our survival as an independent nation.
Actions speak louder than words when it comes to international relations.

Geoffrey said...

Good paper Clive. Most, like Ewan above, do not perceive threat until the clanking of the tank tracks can be heard. By then it will be way too late. We have a minimum of 12 years of thoughtful planning, equipping, recruiting and training ahead of us if we are to raise a division and the relative naval and assets., in both the of the two world wars this process was abbreviated and this cost us dearly, losing hundreds of personnel and equipments as we learnt the tradecraft of warfare. The time to begin this process was yesterday.

Ewan McGregor said...

You’re quite wrong there Geoffry.
I’m all for military preparedness, which for us must mean alliances. But we ruptured vital alliance with the U S 40 years ago by banning their ships in our ports. Or at least their most formidable ones that are nuclear powered,(but not for a long time, nuclear armed). We have had four governments since,
and none have looked at this issue. The people don’t want change, but that's democracy. I agree with Don Brash’s non-statement; I’d have the ban gone by lunchtime.
In the meantime, China is our most vital trading partner and if the P M can further our trade with that country, good for him. Trade is, to my mind, the best preserver of peace. But yes, as Teddy Roosevelt said, speak softly, but carry a big stick. Or better still, get close to someone who has a really big one.