David Seymour hosts a press conference in response to the release of the Justice Select Committee’s report on the Treaty Principles Bill.
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Sunday, April 6, 2025
David Seymour systematically DISMANTLES arguments against the Treaty Principles Bill
Labels: David Seymour, Justice Select Committee report, submissions, Treaty Principles BillDavid Seymour hosts a press conference in response to the release of the Justice Select Committee’s report on the Treaty Principles Bill.
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I simply cannot believe the numbers for and against the Treaty Principles Bill. I put forward my submission in favour of the bill, very early in the piece. On scouring the submissions page, my submission was never visible. Miraculously, about fifteen pages of submissions from various Maori entities were featured first. Most simply said "I'm opposed to this bill".
The main take away for me is that our democracy is being subverted. I simply cannot understand why New Zealanders don't want equality under the law. I couldn't see anything in the bill that would produce inequality. Like David, this makes me more determined to speak up for those who are now totally disenfranchised. This is the group who see no advantage in the Maorification of our country, and will gain absolutely no benefit from it. Instead, they will become second class citizens in what is for many, their land of birth.
I hope Hosking watches this and grills Luxon accordingly.
The fact that he hasn't really done so to date ,makes me suspicious he has been directly forbidden to do so by the same NZME board currently facing a rout ??
Seymour nails legacy media's coffin closed again and again.
He is quite literally on point about sovereignty, equality in law and suffrage and yet these people still ask uncritically thought out and frankly dumb questions.
It is difficult to fault Seymour when he has his teeth into a cause which is for the betterment of most NZers. The hallmark of a good centrist politician.
The unfortunate thing about NZs low iq and generally low paid media reporters, is they see the dollars Labour offers them, then rabidly and obviously support the Labour Party.
The upside is their "gotcha statements" are so easily batted away and their follow up questions are just repeats of the original.
Or as Seymour puts it "for the fourth time"
Of all the submissions opposed to the TPB, has anyone anywhere seen or heard one valid argument put forward supporting opposition that withstands scrutiny from a perspective of objective equity, yet alone what Te Tiriti actually said based on the recorded comprehension of 1840?
All very well for those, like our PM, to say they like nothing about it, but where is their justification, other than Maori potentially being treated as equal with other citizens? One thing it has shown is the ignorance, stupidity, and racist attitudes of many New Zealanders and the divisive attitude they underpin. And, our PM doesn't want the public to have a voice, for he secretly embraces He Puapua and the arrival of New Zimbabwe.
After wasting time trying to navigate the Justice website, I emailed for a link to the submissions published & got the following auto response:
The submissions that have been published to date can be viewed here: https://bills.parliament.nz/v/Bill/227e6d0b-e632-42eb-cffe-08dcfeb826c6?Tab=sub
If you cannot see your submission on the website, it may not have been tabled and released yet. Committee staff need to process each submission before it can be tabled and released.
Like Janine, I found my submission was not there, although others who submitted much later were. There is no pattern in the order of listing that I can see - neither time of receipt nor alphabetical.
Like Janine above, I just do not accept the figures put out in the media. Firstly only a week or so ago they were saying there was not enough time to go through all submissions. They have counted all those submissions that used the submission template given by Hobson's Pledge, ACT and the Greens as one in each case (about 60,000 submissions in total counted as 3). How do they reconcile the polls on the issue with the figures put out?
While we all knew that the Bill was going no where because Luxon said he would "kill the bill" I think they way they have treated the submission process and submitter's efforts is basically giving the "middle finger" to voters/Kiwis. Unfortunately this is not uncommon in NZ today as seen by submissions to local council issues.
The Green sub was treated as a single as it was from the Green party rather than the individuals who just signed onto it.
The Hobsons Pledge template still required you to provide your name and email as it was indeed coming from the individual. To treat it as 1 sub is frankly outrageous and anti-democratic.
Like others here my sub was made by my on hand not using any template and it too is still not available to see......
The fact that the process has been subverted is a red flag indeed for all New Zealanders who believe in equality under law and equal suffrage.....
National voters will continue to support their National electorate candidate next year , however do not be surprised if the National party Vote crashes because the ACT polling shows strong support for TPB. I strongly support a Citizens Initiated Referendum done on a simple electorate basis which is not chasing the 10% of voters required but a show of support for the TPB.
Luxon is politically wrong to refuse the referendum. The National party Vote crash could easily be representative of the TPB support and Party Vote ACT for TPB will be an easily distributed election platform . It is common sense . Is that Luxons problem?
Luxon said: The Bill will be spiked " . This happened. An insult by National to the 83% of NZ citizens.
Already Maori activists are emboldened : 6 April Q+A Eru Kap-Kingi ( Hikoi leaders) said that quality is recognition of separate systems - and no taxes for Maori because" their land was stolen" so they have already paid in this way.
Nothing will redeem National over its refusal to recognize citizen equality - a fatal error.
Time for the 83% to get going.
Janine has spoken for 83%of us. Having read the Bill backwards,forwards,sideways and upside down I cannot see anything a normal NZer would object to regardless of his/her ethnicity. However, if I was an elite member of the gravy train i might wonder if it would jeopardise my lucrative rorts in any way. Such people will cling on to their spurious privileges regardless of the rest of us.
David’s powerful, logical and unarguable comments at this press conference makes me proud to have voted for ACT and equally proud to have submitted in support of the TPB. Its time will come.
There may have been a submission from the Green Party as a whole but the figures I saw and just checked said HPledge (24,000), ACT (31,000) and Greens (12,000) were from a "template form" of submission.
I'm sure groups opposed to the Bill also would have used that technique. As you say if everyone put their name and email on the form, so it is an individual submission.
The problem with the bill was that they changed principle 2. It didn't go far enough because it maintained racial separatism through the recognition of existing settlements. Many people who would've supported it saw it as the poisoned pill it was and didn't swallow. He hence got more opposition than he would've.
I suspect many who oppose the bill actually have no idea what they are opposing . MSM aren't informing the public what the real issues are.
Many have probably bought into the Marxist indoctrination of CRT ( critical Race Theory) in MSM that all Maori are victims of oppressive, murderous colonisation and need justice of some sort.
The anti bill proponents are really running scared when one looks at the lengths they are going to to derail it. It will be good to have a proper debate so people can say what they have against it. A proper debate, not a circus event like that televised one with that German- Maori
Whilst messing up Principle 2 blew something of a hole in the logic of the rest of the bill, the rank antipathy towards it by not just the left Marxist forces but Luxon too served to rally all manner of opposition, both fair and foul. Dare I say I suspect there was plenty of the latter. Of all the so called arguments against the bill, not a one holds water or stand up to real scrutiny. I think young Meager has integrity, far more than Luxon will ever muster, but as a junior member of National, he will have had a lot of pressure on him to toe the Party line. I watched him valiantly trying to keep the indolent, disrespectful and frankly useless members of the Select Committee on point but it was a thankless task because Luxon had completely undermined the process. Perhaps karma will pay Luxon back for that? One can only hope it does but without screwing New Zealand in the process! David Seymour has the higher moral ground in all this and I wish him more power to his elbow. Currently it is Goliath 1: David 0 but that is not the end of this story, it can't be!
Please can Christopher Luxon watch this interview and tell the majority of NZers where he can find fault with the reasoning and why he is so opposed to a referendum.
Seymour knew how complex the SC process would be - and how open to rigging. This happened. He is now committed to " other ways" to continue the debate.
This will be very hard for 2 reasons:
i) NZ has leaders without integrity
ii) more NZers are reporting that their children/grandkids are " pro-Maori and a 2 tier society" as a result of their exposure to indoctrination in the Education system.
What can be done or is cultural apatheid inevitable?
i) citizens must act - as well as discuss
ii) they must accept the serious decisions coming fast about their future in NZ.
Wasn't there an Act member on the committee? Todd Stephenson should be able to shine some light or is he hobbled?
Anon 10.14 addendum: Yes we do have serious decisions looming re: our individual and collective futures. We are watching the Aussie situation regarding their election as they are in a similar situation except they do not have the Maorification aspect, just one where Albo will take any win as a mandate to surge ahead with the rejected "Voice" constructs. We have a trip to Aussie booked to suss out things first hand as we left there 16 years ago and much has changed due to the woke/Marxist forces at work the World over. Just quietly, wondering if we will now have a push for a Citizens' Initiated Referendum based on the initial 3 ACT questions - that would get things closer to the truth.
A Citizens Initiated Referendum (CIR) is not as scary as it sounds with modern referendum now undertaken as hybrid referendum which means that the parliament website handles emailed name and signatures of petition support and the hybrid means that the same petition can be collated on Paper as "old style petiton" meaning that non interenet users can support. an pubblic support cn be canvassed separately.
I envisage the 72 NZ electorates would only need to collect 5000 signaures per electorate for 10% of the voting public achieved . Of course it is Non Binding but a huge shakeup to PM Luuxon it would be .
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