Fluoride is a funny thing.
I like it. Not too much, but just enough to help out in the water.
Not everyone shares the view, but science is on the right side.
Before he left his job Ashley Bloomfield (remember him?) issued an edict to a number of councils to fluoridate the local water. He had the power to compel them to do it.
Most have, some have had a bit of an angst about it. Tauranga wasn’t thrilled, but the problem was if you didn’t, you could be fined a couple of hundred grand and then $10,000 a day for each day after that if you don’t follow the rules.
On Friday Whangarei voted not to.
Their argument was several fold. It was a tight vote of 7-6. The public gallery was full, and I can bet who it was full of.
The mayor says fluoride won't help the local area's dental hygiene, which is of course complete nonsense and probably why we have people specialising in the health area as opposed to councillors who generally specialise in nothing.
They also argued the area doesn’t want it. A decent question to ask is - does that matter?
Are there areas and issues where the locals actually don’t get a say, kind of like how we don’t get to set our own speed limits or whether we pay our taxes?
Or do you argue at local level democracy is everything?
Mind you, even if you did argue that, they didn't poll everyone so who knows what the locals think in totality.
The interesting thing for me is, is this an issue you really want to die on a hill over?
If you're a council in the northern part of this country, are you honestly telling me this is as pressing as it gets?
Forget the dilapidated state of the place, the fact it gets cut off from the country too often, or the grinding poverty and health issues. How long do you want that list to be?
No, we will defy Wellington and get fined over fluoride.
Too many councils nationally of late are not giving local representation a good name and this lot aren't helping.
Mike Hosking is a New Zealand television and radio broadcaster. He currently hosts The Mike Hosking Breakfast show on NewstalkZB on weekday mornings - where this article was sourced.
Most have, some have had a bit of an angst about it. Tauranga wasn’t thrilled, but the problem was if you didn’t, you could be fined a couple of hundred grand and then $10,000 a day for each day after that if you don’t follow the rules.
On Friday Whangarei voted not to.
Their argument was several fold. It was a tight vote of 7-6. The public gallery was full, and I can bet who it was full of.
The mayor says fluoride won't help the local area's dental hygiene, which is of course complete nonsense and probably why we have people specialising in the health area as opposed to councillors who generally specialise in nothing.
They also argued the area doesn’t want it. A decent question to ask is - does that matter?
Are there areas and issues where the locals actually don’t get a say, kind of like how we don’t get to set our own speed limits or whether we pay our taxes?
Or do you argue at local level democracy is everything?
Mind you, even if you did argue that, they didn't poll everyone so who knows what the locals think in totality.
The interesting thing for me is, is this an issue you really want to die on a hill over?
If you're a council in the northern part of this country, are you honestly telling me this is as pressing as it gets?
Forget the dilapidated state of the place, the fact it gets cut off from the country too often, or the grinding poverty and health issues. How long do you want that list to be?
No, we will defy Wellington and get fined over fluoride.
Too many councils nationally of late are not giving local representation a good name and this lot aren't helping.
Mike Hosking is a New Zealand television and radio broadcaster. He currently hosts The Mike Hosking Breakfast show on NewstalkZB on weekday mornings - where this article was sourced.
7 comments:
It is a very important issue. Our water is medicated with a toxic waste without many many peoples consent. They have valid arguments regarding the health impacts of doing so. Like vaccine mandates...it is wrong to force people to medicate. If people want it in their water they can do like the old days and add it in tablet form. Forcing everyone to do it when some do not want it is lazy and a breach of human rights.
Following on from Anonymous above, here's an interesting angle on fluoridation:
The purpose of fluoridation is to combat tooth decay.
Therefore fluoridation is a 'treatment' in the medical sense.
Nobody can be forced to undergo a forced medical intervention (except under the Mental Health Act).
Therefore making people drink fluoridated water is forcing a medical treatment on them, which is a violation of their right to refuse any medical intervention.
Has this line ever been used in a court of law? I wonder how it would go?
What a little "corporate state shill" you have just proved yourself to be. Trust the science eh, safe and effective eh, one source of truth eh.
I know, lets have a nationwide referendum at the next General Election to determine if fluoride must be added to the Nations drinking water or removed in its entirety, forever. Until then all parties slink back to their huts and hone their arguments. 'Return to Sender' all nasty invoices in their envelopes and with the biggest felt tip pen write NO THANK YOU on both front and back. Focus on stuff that matters. Mike, I love your show and listen most mornings but hey mate, boil the water for half an hour before you drink it. Regards.
I remember reading somewhere that it is sodium fluoride that helps prevent decay not calcium fluoride which is acquired as a by -product of aluminium smelting. Sodium fluoride is in apples naturally. Anyway, I agree with Barend we should not have any medication in our water. It requires something like reverse osmosis to remove it which means you can't easily remove it from your water. It may help dental health but what does it do to the rest of the body?
It may cause hardening of the arteries.
Eat apples and a balanced diet and collect your own drinking water from the roof in a tank. Petition the council for a subsidized collection tank if they are forcing you to have their poisoned water.
If people want fluoride, they can have it - in toothpaste. Otherwise, forcing it on people is wrong if they don't want it.
My children...11and 16 have never had fluoridated water or toothpaste. They dont drink much fizzy or fruit juice and eat a reasonable diet. They have perfect teeth with no fillings.
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