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Tuesday, March 4, 2025

Bob Edlin: Infamy in the White House – and the shredding of Atlantic Charter ideals


A Day of American Infamy is the headline above a New York Times column by Bret Stephens, who harked back to August 1941, about four months before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

US President Franklin Roosevelt met with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill aboard warships in Newfoundland’s Placentia Bay and agreed to the Atlantic Charter, a joint declaration by the world’s leading democratic powers on “common principles” for a postwar world.

Key points included:“
  • no aggrandizement, territorial or other”;
  • “sovereign rights and self-government restored to those who have been forcibly deprived of them”;
  • “freedom from fear and want”;
  • “freedom of the seas”;
  • “access, on equal terms, to the trade and to the raw materials of the world which are needed for their economic prosperity.”
Stephens describes the charter, and the alliance that came of it, as a high point of American statesmanship.

The article then deals with more recent – and less laudable – happenings:

On Friday in the Oval Office, the world witnessed the opposite. Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine’s embattled democratic leader, came to Washington prepared to sign away anything he could offer President Trump except his nation’s freedom, security and common sense. For that, he was rewarded with a lecture on manners from the most mendacious vulgarian and ungracious host ever to inhabit the White House.

And here’s the zinger:

If Roosevelt had told Churchill to sue for peace on any terms with Adolf Hitler and to fork over Britain’s coal reserves to the United States in exchange for no American security guarantees, it might have approximated what Trump did to Zelensky.

Regardless of whether Zelensky played his cards poorly, Stephens insisted — either by failing to behave with the degree of all-fours sycophancy that Trump demands or to maintain his composure in the face of JD Vance’s disingenuous provocations — “this was a day of American infamy”.

Bob Edlin is a veteran journalist and editor for the Point of Order blog HERE. - where this article was sourced.

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

Trump loves the media, he loves it so much he created his own media company.
I think a majority of the feedback we are seeing is negative towards Trump and the USA. America’s standing in the world just went down quite a few notches.
Whether Trump is right or wrong the way it was done was disgraceful.
Trump won’t be happy about the negative media, he will try to dismiss it as fake media.
However, the pending photo op with Trump and Putin shaking hands in Moscow in May will go down in America like a cup of cold sick.
NATO will be broken up and the new world order begins

Anonymous said...

We must have watched different press conferences, I seen Zelensky disrespect the hand that feeds him and his rag tag bunch of neo nazi corruptocrats and blow up a peace deal, If i was Trump id feed him to the Bear, my crystal ball sees him walking into the woods followed by the crack of a Nagan goodbye cocaine clown

Janine said...

If the mainstream media had reported the whole White House meeting, without cherry picking, as they always do, we would know that there was much more to this than reported. Four star US General Jack Keane reports that Trump had others cards up his sleeve but was totally undermined by Zelensky. Trump has the American people to consider as well as the Ukrainian people.

Anonymous said...

Zelenskyy didn’t come to America ready to sign anything - he has been unwavering in his demand for security. I am thinking that televising it was a show for the Americans. So when things turn to custard - which can happen - nobody can say that Trump hasn’t tried to stop the war.

Tom Logan said...

What Trump and mini-me might at best achieve is kicking the can down the road for a while. Putin will be back for a second go.

But didn't Uncle Sam promise Ukraine and Nato support for Ukraine having surrendered the World's 3rd biggest stockpile of nuclear weapons ?

And wasn't it Harvard Professor Jeffrey Sachs that said just a week or so ago that in 2021 the US had advised Ukraine not to sign a deal they had agreed to with Putin for a permanent peace if the Ukrainians gave the Russian speaking regions of Ukraine a degree of autonomy.

Seems like Mr Trump's greater art may be the art of walking away from a deal.

As he said, "it'll make great TV"

Anonymous said...

Not forgetting the zed side deal of course, signed 16th Jan 2025...
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/uk-ukraine-100-year-partnership-agreement/

Michael Waldegrave said...

Naw you are wrong Bob. Trump is the American People's representative & is acting in their interests. The EU is the bad guy. 10 years since Crimea & they have done little to confront Putin. Serves them right. Go Trump !!

Anonymous said...

There is a posted comment, that denigrates Zelensky. If I can add that this man stood for the Presidency of Ukraine, a Country that was, at the time reeling from Russian based political interference, that had been occurring over many years past. Interference that saw a person become President much to the distaste of the citizens. Go check the history - Google will help you. Zelensky had his Country going forward, till the Russian Army crossed the border - an unprovoked attack, that only Russia can produce - look at Crimea, Chechnya & Georgia.
Oh - did not TVZN show that? If only New Zealand could see the truth - well you can - search YouTube.
Also note that the moment Russia came calling the following happened -
- Germany said Nein to any military equipment, the then Chancellor, Schultz - had to continue holding Putin's hand, something started by Angela Merkel (the reason Russian Gas).
- France said Non, sadly the ' wimp in charge', then did not have the cojones, but likes ' photo opportunities ' with Zelensky
- England - thanks to Boris Johnson, stepped forward. This is where NZ Army/artillery supplied staff to the UK as training elements.
- American - support, by Biden was the transferring of old Military stock, held in Supply Depots (example M113, Vietnam area, plus early version Abrams) - which Ukraine troops had to go to Germany to learn how to use.
- NATO membership suddenly increased
The US created 'pressure points on NATO Allies' to supply equipment, on the basis that equipment, if originally from the US would be updated -it was interesting to see who ' held their hands out ' .
Now while this was happening Zelensky was interviewed many time, more by American outlets - and he was very thankful for the support being given by America.
Then, comes the New Administration, and he was asked about the ' money ' and he quite rightly asked - " What money " - and nobody in the current US regime has come up with paperwork re what was given, by Joe Biden, supported by a Democrat led Congress - odd that!
Oh and to the author of said post - " How come the US can dictate terms, of any kind, without Ukraine being in the room".
They did that in Germany, post WW2, which did not gain favour with a struggling German population.
I would ask you, what will be your thoughts when Putin over runs Ukraine, then turns his attention to other Countries nearby (along with the Baltic Nations, Poland, Scandinavia) this is " his stated intention, not new, but a long term belief & intent, since Putin became President of Russia (the first time).
Rationale - recreate the USSR.

Anonymous said...

Google NATO per capita spending, and you will see Statista NATO per capita spending per country 2024