Monday, June 13, 2022

Clive Bibby: You can’t fool all of the people all of the time

Arguably the most famous quote of the French essayist, Joseph Joubert, and certainly the one most relevant to the failing democratic system here in New Zealand is an appropriate introduction to this week’s column.

“It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debate.”

I am amazed that none of this intellectual giant’s writings were published under his own name but thankfully someone recognised their value and took it on themselves to do so.

Most Kiwis who are alarmed at the erosion of our freedoms under the Ardern regime will be wondering if we will ever return to a time when governments ignored the wishes of the people at their peril.

Clearly, most of the legislation introduced without consultation i.e. that which is based on the He Puapua report, is more than anything else, likely to be the reason for this Government's downfall at the next election.

In the meantime, those of us who are committed to ideas that will make a difference must maintain our vigil at the parapets. Believe me, it can be a lonely place. 

However initial public reaction suggests we are right to challenge the government’s attempts to bypass the majority on this one. We say enough of this betrayal and nonsense and have confidence that most fair-minded voters already agree.

Time for a return to the electoral system that has served us well in the past where each vote is of equal value. Nothing less will suffice.

Parallel to this change in direction, we should be demanding that those who offer themselves as candidates for election to council in October can demonstrate that they are committed to policies that are in the best interests of us all - not just a select few.

And here are a couple of reasons why they should be happy to respond positively.

It is obvious that the clandestine central government experiment to introduce race-based laws to this country is collapsing before our eyes. It has understandably become a liability to the future electoral prospects of this Government and it, in all it forms, needs to be terminated - probably by its own hand.

If that happens, the way will be made easier for future local governments to promote policies that work for them and obtain funding from sympathetic governments to cover the costs. We must allow local ideas to be debated on their merits. We are the best people to know how to plot our own future - not some Wellington bureaucrat with no interest in the outcome other than clipping the ticket on construction costs of projects we don’t want or need.

Race-based, tribal elite pressure groups have had their day. We need to take our region back. Our survival as a viable entity depends on it.

Clive Bibby is a commentator, consultant, farmer and community leader, who lives in Tolaga Bay.


Anonymous said...

Act and national need to be challenged to declare whether they would scrap or keep He Puapua … and probably wrap up treaty settlements. After spending billions it’s time to move forward as one.

Paul said...

I totally agree with Anonymous. This Government may go, but wiil the Race based laws and new Race based institutions be repealed/dismantled?

Clive Bibby said...

That is the question that should be being asked of Chris Luxon by all concerned voters.
Those of us on the right of politics need to keep making the point that our votes are conditional on the Nats and Act promising in their manifestos to repeal all legislation that is based on the He Puapua doctrine.
We don’t need a “Labour Lite” government. We need a return to the days when legislation reflected majority opinions.
The next election will be our last chance to save our democracy.

Phil Barrett said...

I'd agree this next election will be the most important for New Zealand in recent history but you are all fooling yourselves if you think national or act for that matter are the answer to your prayers, National will continue labour's work and act isn't that far behind, both of these party's are just dangling carrots for votes,Seymour says 95% of NZ wanted vaccinated, agrees with the mandates and dosnt support Marsden point being kept functional, and wouldn't engage with the wellington protesters all of whom just wanted to be listened too.Luxon is all over the place,half the time supporting the government as a coalition partner, his opposition so weak its embarrassing hasn't really made a decision on 3 waters and also wouldn't engage with the wellington protest,his biggest claim to fame was he ran an airline that needed constant propping up from the government, a vote for either of these two is just going to be business as usual, NNP The New Nation Party check them out for sensible policies and real solutions going forward

Concerned Kiwi said...

Relying on National or Act or indeed any of the Main parties is a complete waste of a vote. You need to vote, as any non-vote is in essence a vote for the Status Quo. National has always let Labour do the dirty work they wanted to do.

KP said...

Haha! So funny to watch the people who didn't vote for Libz in the 90s now complaining bitterly about having the Govts they wanted!

Now there are NO options to Tweedledumb & Tweedledumber, or as Perigo said in a public meeting of all the parties.. "There is only one choice here, Libz or one of all the identical power-grabbers in front of you".

Like all Western countries, NZ has embraced the UN way of life, big Govt interfering in all parts of society, a massive loss of individual freedom and privacy, and a poisoned future due to illness caused by RNA vaccines.

You reap what you sow... It is far too late to try and change the world now, you might as well bend over and get used to it.

Anonymous said...

For better or worse I believe we must vote strategically for a Nat/Act government next election First and foremost we must get rid of this current racist divisive rabble. We cannot afford the luxury of wasted votes by voting for the minor contestants. Their time will come in the following election.

CGee said...

Sure, the NNP has some attractive and very welcome policies and may be a party to watch in future.

But I believe it is delusional to think that any fledgling and currently unknown and unproven party could muster 5% support in the next 18 months, or win an electorate seat in 2023.

Yes, Bob Jones managed something like it in 1984 - or enough to successfully unseat the Muldoon govt anyway - but he had name-recognition plus a ton of financial resources and infrastructure behind him. NNP has none of that as yet.

A new party needs to bed in and become known over a period of time - gain credibility - before voters can be expected to trust it with their support. Prior to that point being reached, a vote for NNP is a split vote which will just benefit Labour.

A far better strategy to change the govt in 2023, in my opinion, is to support Luxon who already has nearly 40% in the polls.

But it needs to be made clear to him that those votes aren't guaranteed unless he commits to reversing and repealing a swathe of what Labour has done and is doing. For a start, he needs to confront the continuing identity and stealthy race-based division Labour is actively pursuing. Where does he stand on 3-Waters? Nepotism? Co-governance? He Puapua? The new slanted History Curriculum? Continuing Treaty settlements? Iwi ownership of the air and water? Vastly increasing Te Reo on TV and in newspapers? Maori seats? Bi-lingual signage throughout NZ? The replacement of NZ with Aotearoa?

If he can't or won't front up to taking a stand on some of these issues, he's only got himself to blame if voters look elsewhere in 2023. And 'elsewhere' could give the present lot a chance to get back in and wreak further havoc with their warped ideologies which have already damaged NZ beyond measure.

Clive is correct - we want neither a Labour nor a "Labour-Lite" government in 2023. Another 3 years of anything like this present lot will seal NZ's fate for decades to come.

Allan said...

Well stated Phil Barrett. Why kiwis vote for the same Parties, & expect a different result is beyond my comprehension. National were responsible for the signing of UNDRIP, the cornerstone for all of the Apartheid policies now being implemented. The current ACT Party are only there because National allow them to be. Remember the cups of tea incidents, where any free thinking prospective ACT leader was dismissed instantly. Why do you think Rodney Hide & his high profile team of intelligent thinkers were quickly dismissed from parliament. Then at the last election, New Conservative stood a candidate in every electorate. this scared the hell out of the 'Establishment' who sent an infiltrator, who convinced a weak & pathetic management Board, to dismantle the established Leadership structure that was taking the organisation forward.
So be prepared to accept more of the same, if you continue to vote for the U.N puppets who currently occupy the seats in parliament. Nothing will change unless the voters make it change. They so far, have not been prepared to do that..

Robert Arthur said...

From persons I meet very few of the general population have any grasp of Pae Ora, Hei Puapua, Three Waters, history curriculum etc. Unless the msm start to report and comment objectively the maori Labour caucus are likely to get away with it. It is perhaps just possible that if the polls show a clear trend away from Lavbour the msm may risk foregoing the maori economy and support democracy.

Angela said...

Great comments, but the fact remains that if you don't vote for National, we will be stuck with Labour and we all know where that's heading... raced based legislation... end of New Zealand as we know it and end of story! Silence of the lambs... here it comes.