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Saturday, November 11, 2023

Breaking Views Update: Week of 5.11.23







Saturday November 11, 2023 

News:
Bilingual road sign proposal targeted by right-wing lobby group

A proposal by Waka Kotahi and Te Mātāwai to install more than 90 bilingual traffic signs appears to be the target of a large campaign by a right-wing lobby group.

At least 25,000 submissions opposing the idea were sent to the agencies using a Hobson's Pledge email template – the same tactic the group used to oppose Māori wards on Auckland Council.

Just over 44,000 submissions were received in total during the public consultation period in May and June.

Of that number, 60 per cent of the individual submissions not using the Hobson's Pledge template supported the proposals, while 40 per cent were opposed.

Tē Mātāwai co-chair Reikura Kahi said she wasn't concerned.

"Because they come from one entity, I think we do consider them as one group and I would say a minority... so, not on the number of submission they made or the emails they sent through," she said.

"If you really look at it, they are a small part of what is Aotearoa New Zealand. The tide has changed in regard to te reo Māori in New Zealand, the learning of te reo Māori in our schools and exposure to te reo Māori."....
See full article HERE

Courts will give Māori timeouts to sort differences over marine title
A senior court devises a way to stop disputes between hapū being legally fatal to their chances of being recognised for marine rights over the same shores and waters

The Court of Appeal says if two Māori groups claim customary title over the same area of coastline and sea, but do not recognise each other's claim and don't want to share the rights, the law should preserve their positions until they can sort their differences under a tikanga process.

That's instead of both being denied the rights by law.....
See full article HERE

In a first, Māori King to visit Parihaka to strengthen bonds
Kīngi Tūheitia will visit Parihaka Pā for the first time next week in a bid to strengthen historical and spiritual bonds between Taranaki and the Kīngitanga - and forge greater political unity.

The Māori King wants to discuss the relevance today of the tradition of Māori prophets, said the tumu whakarito (chief executive) of Te Kāhui o Taranaki Wharehoka Wano.

"My personal whakaaro (opinion) is it's most certainly very relevant because the wairua aspect, the spiritual aspect of our wellbeing, is paramount," Wano said....
See full article HERE

Iwi and council partner up to spend ‘better-off’ funding
Whanganui District Council says it “jumped the gun” by initially not consulting iwi on how to spend $6 million of Government funding.

But after a relationship “reset”, the council has since worked closely with local Māori to spend better-off funding from the now-abandoned Three Waters reform support package.

The money is being used on a set of priorities agreed between the council and hapū, including partnership projects, climate change, marae infrastructure and cultural narratives....
See full article HERE

Electoral Commission: No probe of Te Pāti Māori on voting at marae
Chief Electoral Officer, Karl Le Quesne has advised Te Pāti Māori by text: “We have not had any complaints about Te Pāti Māori in relation to the marae.”

But the commission also disclosed to Whakaata Māori that it had received complaints about its use of Manurewa Marae as a voting place, and its activities.....
See full article HERE

Referendum revolution talk emboldenng racists
Former Green MP turned law lecturer Metiria Turei says politicians warning of Māori going to war if there is a referendum on the Treaty of Waitangi are talking rubbish.

Both Labour’s Willie Jackson and the Greens’ Marama Davidson say they’re hearing talk on the streets about an extreme response to the ACT proposal.

Ms Turei says while ACT’s David Seymour is spouting racist and constitutional nonsense, National Party leader Chris Luxon wants to be seen as a leader who can bring the country together, not divide it.

Ms Turei says rather than painting a dire picture, Maori MPs should instead emphasise the benefits that have come for the whole nation from Maori using the legal system to clarify treaty principles.....
See full article HERE

Partnership Model between Wellington Manawhenua Iwi and Greater Wellington Regional Council
See flowchart HERE

Propaganda:
Although Act is notionally a Libertarian party, it has little respect for the Treaty  

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Friday November 10, 2023 

News: 
Winston Peters says no to Act’s Treaty referendum but wants Waitangi Tribunal brought back into line 
The Act Party’s call for a Treaty referendum appears to be dead in the water with coalition partner Winston Peters also now ruling it out.

Luxon has previously said no to Act’s referendum and today Peters echoed that.

But New Zealand First leader Peters said he wants the Waitangi Tribunal brought back into line and do what it was originally intended to do and to stop overstepping its brief.

Peters told Radio Waatea host Dale Husband the Treaty is not the problem, but the tribunal has gone way past its mandate.....
See full article HERE

Electoral Commission investigating misconduct claims at marae polling booth linked to Māori Party candidate
The Electoral Commission is under intense scrutiny over its decision to set up a polling booth at Manurewa Marae, where Te Pāti Māori candidate Takutai Moana Kemp is the CEO.

This issue is part of a larger probe into election conduct at the marae, in the wake of a tightly contested race in Tāmaki Makaurau, which saw Kemp secure victory over Labour MP Peeni Henare by just four votes — a stark contrast from the 495-vote lead Henare held on election night.

Further adding to the contentious atmosphere, the Commission admitted, “We can confirm that we have received complaints about activities at the Manurewa Marae, including whether the provision of food could be considered treating.”

The controversy extends to the election infrastructure itself, with the Commission disclosing, “We have also received a complaint about the Electoral Commission’s use of the Manurewa Marae as a voting place.”.....
See full article HERE

Māori representatives to help set Taranaki Regional Council’s long term plan
Two iwi representatives will sit with the Taranaki Regional Council to help write its long-term plan next year but will not have voting rights.

Long term plans set council priorities for the next 10 years and are re-set every three years. The council has invited the collective of the region’s eight iwi – Ngā Iwi o Taranaki – to pick two representatives to help draft the long-term plan.

They will also have speaking rights for hearings and deliberations on submissions to the plan but will not get to vote at the end of those discussions.....
See full article HERE

South Wairarapa Māori ward endorsed
The creation of a Māori ward in South Wairarapa has been unanimously endorsed by the council’s Māori Standing Committee [MSC].

An extraordinary meeting of the MSC on Tuesday evening passed the unanimous vote.

The matter will now be formally considered by South Wairarapa District Council [SWDC] at its next meeting on November 22.....
See full article HERE

Māori delegation weave cultural ties with Native American tribe
A group of Māori performance and visual artists are showcasing traditional Māori arts and crafts at an indigenous arts festival in the US.

The American Indigenous Arts Celebration — held as part of Native American Heritage month — celebrates the art, music, food, and dance of the local Seminole Tribe and Indigenous people.....
See full article HERE

Research programme launched to tackle Māori experiencing meth-related harm
A new way to tackle the disproportionate number of Māori experiencing meth-related harm in Aotearoa has been launched this week.

The University of Auckland is working in collaboration with iwi and Northland community addiction services on the research programme.

The trial will follow methamphetamine users over a two-year period.....
See full article HERE

No appetite among iwi for treaty referendum
Ngati Kahungunu leader Bayden Barber says the Iwi Chairs Forum in Otautahi is today discussing its opposition to proposals to change the Treaty of Waitangi.

ACT leader David Seymour is demanding a referendum to institutionalise his interpretation of treaty principles as part of the price of his party supporting National in a coalition Government.

Mr Barber says the treaty is not to be messed with.....
See full article HERE

Treaty referendum to trigger protest
Greens co-leader Marama Davidson says Māori will mobilise if National agrees to ACT’s referendum on the Treaty of Waitangi.

ACT leader David Seymour says the referendum asking New Zealanders to support his interpretation of treaty principles – not what the Waitangi Tribunal and the highest courts in the land have found – is a bottom line in coalition talks.

Ms Davidson says what she’s hearing from Māori in the streets is they will draw on their own history to fight it.

“Māori have the leadership in civil disobedience and non-violent peaceful active resistance, We’ve got Parihaka. We’ve got Takaparawhau. We’ve got Ihumatao. We’ve got foreshore seabed. We’ve got Whina Cooper, So absolutely we will rise, just try to come for it,” she says.
See full article HERE

Articles:
Peter Hemmingson: Brown Supremacist Bluff and Threats

Mike Hosking: How democracy can thrive  

Thursday November 9, 2023 

News: 
No place for guilt-tripping in NZ First policy 
New Zealand First MP Shane Jones says colonial guilt is not a good starting place for Māori policy.

He says just 87,000 of the 280,000 New Zealanders on the Māori roll voted for the Māori Party, which campaigned on a platform of Māori liberation and indigenous solutions drawn from the past to unlock the wellbeing of the nation.

He says political parties need to gain the support of their fellow New Zealanders before making constitutional changes.....
See full article HERE

Tessa Harris helps shape public spaces in Tāmaki Makaurau with her art
From Karangahape Road to Te Wānanga on Quay Street, Tessa Harris (Ngāi Tai ki Tāmaki) walks around Auckland and sees an increasing amount of her own art and that of fellow Māori artists embedded in the city’s architecture and prominent places.

“Toi Māori is what makes us unique here in Aotearoa, let’s celebrate it everywhere. Involve Māori in all projects.....
See full article HERE

Articles:
Graham Adams: Wakey, wakey, mainstream media!

Propaganda:
It’s not Luxon who needs to agree to a Treaty referendum, it’s Ngāpuhi 

Wednesday November 8, 2023 

News: 
A new legal current restores Māori rights for river mouths 
One court ruled out customary rights for Māori over their river mouths if the waterways were 'navigable' but a higher court has reversed that for up to 1km up rivers from the coast

Māori bids for customary titles over parts of big rivers entering coastlines where they have legal rights have been strongly boosted by a new Court of Appeal decision.

In two earlier High Court rulings, iwi applications for rights over the Mohaka and Waioeka/Otara river mouths in Hawkes Bay and the Bay of Plenty were denied because of an old law apparently trumping provisions of the 2011 Marine and Coast Area Act (MACA).......
See full article HERE

Iwi story to feature on ski field bridge
“Ruanuitanga” will feature on one of the most-seen structures on Taranaki Maunga once a new 100-metre suspension bridge is completed.

A Ngāti Ruanui-commissioned artist has designed mast and balustrade panels on the Manganui Gorge bridge to mark the significance of Taranaki Maunga to iwi.....
See full article HERE

Upper Hutt councillors narrowly supported Māori ward
Upper Hutt councillors last week voted six to five in favour of a Māori ward.

Nationally, wards have proved a hot potato, Last month, Auckland narrowly voted no to wards, along with a number of other councils around the country. Recent analysis of a proposal for Kāpiti showed a majority of respondents aged 65 and over overwhelmingly opposed a Māori ward....
See full article HERE

Māori 'will go to war' over ACT's Treaty referendum, Labour MPs warn
Top Labour MP Willie Jackson says Māori have told him they would "go to war" over ACT's proposal for a referendum on the Treaty of Waitangi.

He and Jackson - who had also considered leaving - both said they were motivated to stay because of the need to fight ACT's proposal for a referendum on the Treaty of Waitangi.

Such a referendum would ask New Zealanders as a whole to support ACT's interpretation of the Treaty and its principles, rather than the interpretation arrived at through decades of examination from court cases, academic study, and the Waitangi Tribunal.

"The Treaty referendum - if that happens, then it's going to require me to stay around and I think Kelvin has to stay around for a while too," Jackson said.

Davis backed that up, saying it was "one of the big things".....
See full article HERE

Māori voices centred in new research to reduce drug harm
A new project wants to find culturally appropriate ways to treat drug use within the Māori community.

Researchers at Waipapa Taumata Rau University of Auckland will work with iwi and community leaders on the $1.2 million study that launched on Tuesday.....
See full article HERE

Cultural reports attack breach of Tiriti
The dean of AUT’s law school law says National’s plan to cut funding for cultural reports is mean-spirited and racist.

To take that opportunity away only for people who can’t pay for it I think is mean-spirited and because most of those people will be Māori it’s a breach of Te Tiriti in terms of Article 3 – equal access to justice. Bottom line is it’s racist because non-Māori people or Māori people too who can afford a private report or have someone within their whānau or community who can stand up and speak for them, they can still have access to those things,” Associate Professor Quince says.....
See full article HERE

Consultation opens on National Park name change to Waimarino
Consultation has opened on a proposal to change the name of National Park Village in the central North Island to Waimarino.

Submissions also opened on Tuesday for changing the name of the village’s railway station from National Park Station to Waimarino Railway Station.

The two proposals were made to Ngā Pou Taunaha o Aotearoa New Zealand Geographic Board by mana whenua Uenuku and the iwi collective Te Korowai o Wainuiārua.

Submissions can be made online, by email or letter to the New Zealand Geographic Board via Toitū Te Whenua Land Information New Zealand. The three-month consultation closes on February 8, 2024......
See full article HERE

Articles:
Chris Trotter: Threatening “Consequences”

Propaganda:
‘Māori are an essential part of our Nation’ - Iwi leader’s reminder to incoming politicians

Why did Māori turn on Labour?

Māori identity blooming in new parliament  

Tuesday November 7, 2023 

News: 
Fact-sheet On The Human Rights And Te Tiriti Basis For Co-governance 
A new resource explaining the link between human rights, te Tiriti o Waitangi and co-governance has been released today by Te Kāhui Tika Tangata Human Rights Commission. 

One of the Commission’s functions under the Human Rights Act is to promote a better understanding of the human rights dimensions of the Treaty of Waitangi and their relationship with domestic and international human rights law.

“The fact-sheet helps people to unpack why we have co-governance and similar arrangements in Aotearoa New Zealand, and how they are consistent with a modern, liberal democracy,” says the Commission’s Rongomau Taketake | Indigenous Rights Governance Partner Claire Charters.....
See full article HERE

Who had the loudest voice opposing Māori seats on Auckland Council?
Public opposition to creating Māori seats on Auckland Council came significantly from a handful of local board areas, including those with the highest proportion of Pakeha residents.

Opposition was strongest in six of 21 local board areas - making up more than half of the 7,317 who rejected Māori seats - including those with the highest share of “European” residents......
See full article HERE

Facial recognition: Officials yet to meet obligation to seek views of Māori - documents
Officials admit they have been using facial recognition to identify people for years without knowing if it distorts results for Māori.

"In recent years general concern with the use of biometrics has grown and the department has yet to meet its obligations to seek and consider the views of Māori (in relation to its use of biometrics) as partners under the Treaty of Waitangi," its June memo said....
See full article HERE

Firearms Safety Code now in reo Maori – NZ Police
In a first, New Zealand’s Firearms Safety Code is now available in reo Māori.

The Firearms Safety Code is as important to New Zealand’s 234,000 firearms licence holders, as the Road Code is to New Zealand drivers.

But until now it has only been available in English.

Te Tari Pūreke, the Firearms Safety Authority, recently set out to change that, estimating that between 7 – 10% of firearms licence holders in Aotearoa New Zealand are Māori.....
See full article HERE

Ngāi Tahu delivers robust result in 25th year
Te Rūnanga o Ngāi Tahu has released its annual report for the financial year ending June 2023, showing resilient returns in a difficult economic climate and continued investment in tribal development.

Ngāi Tahu Holdings Corporation distributed a total of $107.4 million to the Ngāi Tahu Charitable Trust, which funds a variety of grants and programmes for whānau. This brings the total investment in tribal development since Settlement to $930 million.......
See full article HERE

Articles:
Mike Butler: A vote on the treaty?

Propaganda:
The new downtown space inspiring Aucklanders to look after Te Waitematā  

Monday November 6, 2023  

News: 
Willie Jackson: Treaty referendum risks Springbok tour protest repeat 
If ACT's proposed Treaty referendum went ahead, New Zealand would see civil unrest "five times worse" than the 1981 Springbok tour protest, according to Labour MP Willie Jackson.

This morning on Q+A, Jack Tame asked Jackson if he plans to leave politics after Labour lost the election.

Jackson responded: "I want to stay because I'm nervous about what might be coming, you know in terms of this nonsensical Treaty referendum, let me tell you now Jack, if they try and push that through it'll be 81 Springbok Tour, civil unrest times five, times ten."....
See full article HERE

John Tamihere says election results give Te Pāti Māori the mandate of Māori
We want to make it very clear as Te Pāti Māori that we have the mandate of our people off the street. No one else has that mandate. No-one else can over-talk us or endeavour to deride us or endeavour to say that we do not have a mandate.

Te Pāti Māori will be holding the Government to account to the honoring of Article One of the Treaty of Waitangi where governance was provided, not sovereignty. To the honoring of Article Two where for the exclusion of all doubt we retained unto ourselves - rangatiratanga, sovereignty over all of our domains, lands, estates and taonga. To the honoring of Article Three of the Treaty which promised us equality. All three are still being dishonoured in huge margins in 2023 in Aotearoa.

We will not have the tyranny of the majority taking away the rule of law and the rule of law is the Treaty of Waitangi and a treaty-centric Aotearoa.......
See full article HERE

Articles:
David Farrar: The 32 Māori MPs

Derek Mackie: The NZ Far Left Grows

Barrie Davis: Stuff, the Media Council and the HRC

Propaganda:
A sense of hope: becoming a better Tiriti partner

Parihaka and Te Wai Pounamu

Streaming shame  

Sunday November 5, 2023 

News: 
Thousands of health workers to benefit from training and development investment 
Te Aka Whai Ora is investing $4 million over the next two years to provide training and development opportunities grounded in te ao Māori and mātauranga Māori to over 11,000 health workers.

Mahi a Atua is all about using indigenous knowledge systems as a basis for making change and addressing inequity in all systems including healthcare.

“The funding is aligned with our goals set out in Te Pae Tata Interim New Zealand Health Plan to create an inclusive health workforce that can better respond to the community that it serves.”.....
See full article HERE

ASB ring-fences portion of ‘innovative’ affordable housing fund for Māori housing
ASB has announced it is targeting a portion of its new $500 million Accelerated Housing Fund for affordable and social housing, specifically towards Māori housing.

“In support of the Reserve Bank’s work around Māori access to capital, a portion of the Accelerated Housing Fund has been targeted towards the purposes of Māori housing development and investment,” ASB executive general manager for business banking, Rebecca James, said Friday......
See full article HERE

Murupara marae upgrade opens doors to tourism opportunities
Extensive work is underway at Rangitahi Marae in Murupara to upgrade its wharekai, with hopes it will attract more tourists, conferences and private functions once complete.

BayTrust says it has contributed $156,105 from its Community Amenities Fund to buy new tables and chairs and build a solid shelter across pathways to protect people from the elements.....
See full article HERE

Articles:
A Rejection of Woke – Muriel Newman.

Losing the Working Class – Chris Trotter. 

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19 comments:

Robert Arthur said...

For those like me severely allergic to te ao and matauranga I wonder what discount correction factor steepd health workers will apply to my blood pressure. How does a patient express a preference for science based treatment without triggering offence and utu?

Anonymous said...

my aunt was an ardent believer in the power of 'ayurveda' (indian medical system based on natural remedies) and totally rejected western medicine.

all was well until she broke her leg. with no option to perform an operation in an ayurvedic clinic, she had to be moved to an actual hopital. she lived well...

not sure why, but this memory just came to my mind!

Anonymous said...

If ACT's proposed Treaty referendum went ahead, New Zealand would see civil unrest "five times worse" than the 1981 Springbok tour protest, according to Labour MP Willie Jackson.

The 'noisy threats' coming from the Maori mafia is now reaching fever pitch?
They must be getting really concerned about their gravy train being derailed.

Robert Arthur said...

Following the decolonisation theme established throughout maoridom by Moana Jackson and fellow insurgents the counter to a basic referendum will likely be worse than the 1981 events. For much the same reason. Not because the protesters all have a clear grasp of the situation, but primarily an excuse for maori youth to apply their "once were warriors Instincts". Ironically what maori now seek, separate development, is what aparthied is. Much the same applies to the recent parliament grounds stoush.
I presume Willie realises that his relentless pro maori advocacy, including through RNZ, significantly contributed to the flight from Labour. In accord with te ao, his confrontational reaction is instinctive. Largely for that reason few dared criticise him and his like to their faces, but used their secret resource the ballot box instead.

Ray S said...

It is obvious that the likes of Tamahere, Jackson et al have still not grasped the undeniable fact that colonsation has brought Maori everything they overtly enjoy along with everybody in the country.

The threats from Tamahere are no more than would be expected when and if any action that might impact the the flow of money to some Maori. (not all, as a drive around the country will testify)

It is my understanding that the purpose of the suggested referendum is to determine and set the

Tamahere might come to regret his postulation and threats of action should a referendum be done.
He says the very things that turn people off.

Anonymous said...

Fact-sheet On The Human Rights And Te Tiriti Basis For Co-governance;

The fact-sheet helps people to unpack why we have co-governance and similar arrangements in Aotearoa New Zealand, and how they are consistent with a modern, liberal democracy,” says the Commission’s Rongomau Taketake|Indigenous Rights Governance Partner Claire Charters.

So Charters thinks APARTHEID is consistent in a modern, liberal democracy and that Te Tiriti o Waitangi dated 6th February 1840 was a PARTNERSHIP arrangement?

She must be referring to another te tiriti that she found (or made up ) in racist Aotearoa eh?

Peter said...

Indeed. As if anything Claire Charters had to say is to be taken as balanced, based on the facts, and in the best interests of all New Zealanders.

As a co-author of He Puapua, her views are divisive and will end in tyranny if left to fester and develop. As a taxpayer, I'm appalled that her and our HRC have been paid to produce this drivel.

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Robert Arthur said...

Re maori wards in Auckland, perhaps if part way through the process the Auckland Council had issued a ra ra for more general submissions as they very inappropriately did for maori submissions, many more would have been received. No weighting is given individual thoughtful written submissions. Much more considered than tick box forms. Non maori have no coordinated network as do maori with their state subsidised insurgency propaganda centres (marae) and activist network. Incredibly 17 of 19 mana whenua groups could not muster the energy or coordination to submit at all. The general disconnect of the public from council (and govt) affairs is not appreciated. Delivery of the Council magazine seems to have been discontinued and it is confined almost entirely to entertainment events. An incredible number of local free newspapers linger in the boxes for days, clearly unwanted and presumably unread. Very few now read daily newspaper and coverage is so selective and limited to the occasion sensation that few have much idea of goings on generally. My views are based largely on observation of the workings of the co governance Tupana Maunga Authority, and that only because I chanced to be an occasional visitor to Mt Albert. And I have read through many council proposals; climate change, regional parks management plan etc so know the overwhelming maori influence and pandering already achieved. How many others are in this category?

Robert Arthur said...

I wonder what the total cost, including consultation of all parties, the artist, constructor etc is of the adorned ski bridge. There is soemthing incongruous about associting maori culture with such a symbol of the cultures which advanced beyond the stone age centuries ago.

Anonymous said...

No place for 'apartheid' in NZ First policy thank you Mr Jones.

Anonymous said...

Peters told Radio Waatea host Dale Husband the Treaty is not the problem, but the tribunal has gone way past its mandate.

But Peters, the TOW is the problem because the corrupt tribunal is using a fake, rouge Freeman 'English version' and not the original Maori Tiriti o Waitangi dated 6th February 1840 and signed by over over 500 chiefs, as you well know.

How can a corrupt tribunal be 'brought back into line' if the root cause of the problem remains?

Not a good start or portent of things to come Mr Peters.

Robert Arthur said...

Re 10th. The wording of the proposed referendum was not especially provocative but it would have been misrepreented and lead to huge trouble. There is much scope in othr legislation to reign in the maori control and maorification campaign which lost labour the election. The scope of the Tribunal is absurd. Not least the treatemnt of any verbal maori presenter as an expert witness. A masterful move by Winston which should enable a reduction of his security staff when at home up north.

Anonymous said...



Re. Reigning in the Waitangi Tribunal ( but no referendum)

Iwi will react to this proposal in the same way as a referendum - with threats of violence.

In Iwi's view, nothing will be permitted to reduce or rebalance Maori privilege.
It will be a matter of who caves in first.
But - the people must hold the new govt to account regrading this issue.

Anonymous said...

Get rid of Waitangi Tribunal and Maori electorates. Get on with respecting the treaty as it had effect all those years ago - One People - all equal subjects of the Crown.

I much prefer that quaint notion and effect than living under some dubious apartheid state with embedded ethics of violence and hatred.

Maori may have established their own hierarchy by violence and threats thereof but it is not how I want to live and creates no sense of mutual respect.

Ray S said...

Plenty of threats and the week is not yet over.
One might be forgiven for thinking everyone, including Maori, would grab the chance to look at the treaty and see how it fits and works in the modern world.

But no, the possibility of one side losing something or not gaining from a review is enough to stop it in its tracks.

If all else fails, lets try threats of civil unrest, war even.
Leave the treaty alone bro, or else.

That in itself is a strong argument for a treaty review / referendum.

If some form of action around the TOW is not taken soon, Maori radicals will take it that their threats worked, what can we threaten next.

However, there was no way a review / referendum was going to be sold to anybody the way that Seymore couched it.

Robert Arthur said...

For reign read rein! it would be easy to ridicule the workings of the Tribunal and so gain support for change. Incredibly no one, and certainly not the msm of course, troubles to follow proceedings and report objectively.
I suppose a problem is finding anyone fluent in te reo but not entirely captured (apart from Jones. An independent report published here or BFD a year or so ago was a revelation). Any objective attenders would have to park their car discreetly and far away.

Robert Arthur said...

Re 11th.Te Matawai (whatever/whoever that is) dismiss coordinated Hobson's Pledge response to te reo road signs and want all considered as one. I therefore wonder what weighting they give to laboured individual submissions like mine, which took days. Should it count as several hundred? And what discount do they allow for the responses from maori? There are a myriad maori studies students and maori employed in unaccountable maori agencies all with time on their hands and in close contact with encouraging fellow activists, including through the insurgency propaganda clubrooms (marae).
It was opined that attitude to te reo has changed. It certainly has, and the rejection of Labour and its pro maori campaign clearly illustrates that.
As Hobson's Pledge observe, it is difficult for the ordinary citizen to keep track of the myriad topics warranting comment. Even for the reasonably experienced, submission is very time consuming and ordinary folk in non protected productive jobs do not have the time. A standard form summarising their view is entirely appropriate, provided submitted by a real person.
And the automatic dismissal as right wing of everything not fanatically pro maori supremism is absurd. There is little left wing about the maori corporations.
Unlike those for the school syllabus*, I trust the submissions will be made available for public scrutiny, not that the msm will likely trouble to trawl through. (* as soon as the new Minister is appointed I will chase for release of submissions.)

Anonymous said...

this treatment of submissions using a template is a new definition of democracy. based on this, if a family of 4 or 14 voted for the same candidate, it should be counted as one vote. i bet the losers in this deal will be a certain minority who typically have large families. is that acceptable?