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Saturday, November 16, 2024

Kerre Woodham: The chaos in Parliament was a reflection of us


Crikey, when I suggested yesterday that it might be a good idea if you've never seen Parliament TV, you could always tune in and see the first reading of the Treaty Principles Bill.

Crikey, I expected fireworks but not quite to the level that was on display yesterday. The House was temporarily suspended as the legislation was being voted on, after members of the Te Pati Māori performed a haka in front of the bill's author David Seymour. Gerry Brownlee cleared the public gallery, suspended the House, and once order was restored about 20 minutes later, Te Pati Māori's Hana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke was “named” for starting the haka with the speaker. Gerry Brownlee called her behaviour appalling, disrespectful, and grossly disorderly. Being “named” is one of the most serious punishments in Parliament. If you're named, you are suspended for 24 hours, and your pay is docked. Doesn't happen terribly often – former National Party MP Nick Smith was named three times in his parliamentary career, but apart from Smith, it really is a pretty rare punishment.

Newstalk ZB's political commentator Barry Soper said the behaviour was the worst he's seen in 40 years of covering politics. Former Speaker of the House Sir Lockwood Smith said he too thought it was the worst he'd ever seen.

“That would have to be as bad as I've ever seen. I guess, you know my feeling after it was just one of real sadness, you know? Real sadness to see Parliament treated that way. You know, you can't blame the Speaker – I don't think you can blame Gerry at all. I think in the end he had no choice but to suspend the House and let things settle down, have the gallery cleared. I think, you know, some of the rot has started a way back – the whole standard of the place has been lowered in, you know, recent years. And I think you know, this is just when, once you start letting things slip, it just, you know, another inch happens or another centimetre and so it goes on.”

Well, the bill isn't going anywhere, but not until there's been six months of public submissions. ACT, National and NZ First agreed to support it to a first reading as part of the coalition negotiations – one of the dead rats they had to swallow to form a government. And look at the latest poll, the major parties have gained. Nationals up 3.9%, Labours up 1.2%, ACT and Te Pati Māori are both down. That says to me we don't like extremism, we don't like political opportunists making hay, we don't like people at the very extreme of politics. For the most part, we want a relatively quiet life. We just want to be able to send our kids to school and know they'll be educated. We want to be able to ensure that we can go shopping and not be mugged, that we can sleep safely in our own homes, that we can drive from point A to point B without falling down a pothole the size of a three-story skyscraper. We all want the opportunity to be able to work, look after ourselves and if the worst comes to the worst, fate deals this a cruel blow, there will be a safety net there. Oh, and it, you know, perhaps if we have an accident, there's a health system that can pick up the pieces there too.

The extremism doesn't, for the most part, win votes. I've had David Seymour on here before and put to him that this whole Treaty Principles Bill was a huge part of campaigning and yet on voting day, on Election Day, ACT didn't get nearly the votes they thought they were going to get. National made it very clear they were not going to support the bill. They had to, in the end, form a government to first reading. They didn't want a bar of it. And neither do, I would argue, most New Zealanders of whatever ethnicity you might be.

But come back to Lockwood Smith's point when it comes to Parliament, are MPs really role models and exemplars of behaviour we should all be seeking to emulate? Sir Lockwood Smith seemed to think so, that there's a standard within Parliament that needs to be set and maintained for the good of society. I don't think that's true. I think they are representatives of New Zealand and as such, they represent us. And we have become more tribal, less likely to debate an issue more entrenched in our beliefs, if you don't support me, you're against me. Less likely to listen and agree to disagree.

What we saw in Parliament is pretty much what you see on social media every day. People yelling at each other, not listening, not debating, just taking a stance and sticking to it, and that's fair enough. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. Everybody is entitled to put forward a proposition. You can hear the other side out and you can maintain your own position if that's what you wish to do. You can change your mind if you wish. But David Seymour knew exactly what he was doing. ‘Oh, hey, I'm just putting it up there for discussion’. Oh, come on, it was political opportunism. He got exactly what he knew would happen. He's not stupid, he's many things, but he is not stupid.

So all we saw in Parliament, I think, is a reflection of what we see just about every single day in social media, on the text machine. We've seen it over numerous different issues. I think this and if you don't think like me, there's no such thing as debate anymore.

Kerre McIvor, is a journalist, radio presenter, author and columnist. Currently hosts the Kerre Woodham mornings show on Newstalk ZB - where this article was sourced.

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

If there was a poll today I'm sure ACT would make significant gains over National and TPM would have made gains among the deadbeats around the country as well. The principles that David Symour is promoting is not something he has recently invented to cause division. Equality and Parliamentary sovereignty have been cornerstones of this country's culture and constitution since the beginning. These were promoted by Labour governments, up until Jacinda's time (and even she felt the need to keep He Puapua secret and publicly deny it was government policy). Equality of opportunity was one of the main reasons most of our ancestors came here in the first place.

What is stoking division is all the "journalists" writing pieces like this suggesting that standing up for equality and Parliamentary sovereignty is something unusual and political opportunism. Our ancestors fought for that, but it could easily be lost by apathy. Once we loose it we won't get it back.

Allen said...

She'll probably wear being "Named" as a badge of honour.

Anonymous said...

Woodham confidently asserts "most New Zealanders" don't want a bar of the Treaty Principles Bill. I would like to see the data that supports this assertion. Or is this just another MSM opinion masquerading as the truth.

Anonymous said...

I would argue most New Zealanders, no matter what ethnicity, would "want a bar of it" if they had the bill explained in simple language and what was wanted to be achieved with it.
How anyone can disagree with the three simple points/principles is beyond me and despite what the KCs say, the Bill is not reinterpretting the Treaty
Maybe you can write another article, Kerre, explaining why you disagree with it.

mudbayripper said...

Well Kerry, you've gone down in my estimations.
David Seymours stance is akin to many other movements that seek to protect universal equality, Sovreignty, protection under one law and democracy. Think Martin Luther King, Churchill, Thatcher, Kennedy. The list is short. I believe David Seymour may become the finest New Zealander this country has ever seen.

Tony M said...

My sense is that Kerre is quite wrong in her assessment of the public’s view of the Bill. Personally I can nothing more stupid than letting Judges continue to make stuff up within the ever-growing cloak of undefined and unapproved (by Parliament) “principles”.

NZFs desire to just remove Principles from legislation will not prevent Courts from using them as a framework to support racist decisions, and I am starting to think that an ACT / NZF combo might be the best way forward. NZF cleans legislation while ACT ensures that the Courts are shackled to adhere to the wishes of Parliament

Anonymous said...

Sorry, but sometimes "extremist views" make it to mainstream views. Think Womens Suffragette Movement and women getting the vote. Sometimes people just get tired of the nolsy squeaky wheel and just stop it from turning

Anonymous said...

SOMEONE needed to challenge the recent fake principles suggested in vague and 'not set in stone' form by an ideologically biased Tribunal then fully invented by a few ideologically biased judges. Seymour has challenged them and ensured that the great unwashed can express their views. That's not extremism. What has been allowed to develop over recent decades has been extreme and, unless curtailed, will cause extreme harm to this nation.