If he says he's not indigenous how can we disagree with him?
Winston Peters just won himself at least a couple more percentage points in the election race after his speech in Nelson yesterday. The ultimate politician was prepared to say out loud what thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands have been saying - or at least thinking - for fifty years. Māori are not indigenous.
He is, by the traditional definition of the word, absolutely correct. Indigenous comes from the Latin word indigena, which means a local, native or aboriginal inhabitant.
The Oxford English Dictionary, to me the Holy Grail for word definitions, says that indigenous means “born or originating in a particular place.” The Cambridge Dictionary says indigenous “refers to, or is relating to, the people who originally lived in a place, rather than people who moved there from somewhere else.”
We all know that Maori did not originate in New Zealand. That is indisputable.
But some dictionary writers over the years have changed the meaning of the word.
The rather woke Merriam- Webster Dictionary describes indigenous people as “of or relating to the earliest known inhabitants of a place and especially of a place that was colonised by a now dominant group.”
The use of the word has become highly politicized because if we accept that Australian aboriginals are indigenous to that land, and that Chinese and Japanese and Indian ethnicities are indigenous to their lands, then Māori cannot by the same definition be called indigenous to these lands.
They were the original settlers, the original colonisers, if you like. The fact that there were no other inhabitants here before them is irrelevant in the context of this argument. The great Polynesian migration of the 13th century was a colonizing expedition, making claim to land that no one else lived on.
Yes, many claim there is archeological evidence to say there were other people here before Māori arrived but that’s never been properly or academically verified.
Therefore Winston Peters, he of the Scottish father and Māori mother, says that Māori come from Hawai-iki, apparently somewhere Rarotonga, and “we are not from here.”
It’s a line that will appeal to many in this election campaign but it hasn’t taken long for hackles to rise. Stuff reported last night that their reporter had asked Winston Peters after his speech if “that view might be upsetting to some?”
What a strange question. Is Stuff now in the business of absorbing offence for people who disagree with a politician ? Can’t we receive ideas without being upset ? In the warped world of Stuff it would seem the answer is no.
Peters was on the case real fast referring to what he had said in his speech as “the truth.” And he continued “I am from that background, we know we’re not indigenous and we don’t believe in bulldust.”
Then he was asked about how his whanau would react to hearing his comments. Winston was in fine fettle. “They believe in truths, not myths.”
This was Peters at his bellicose and belligerent, populist best. The wet and the woke are horrified, including Christopher Luxon who has said he disagrees with Peters. Maybe when Luxon went school he was good at economics and accounting but not so much at English vocabulary.
I have a suggestion for Mr Luxon. Just say Winston is right. You’ll be surprised at how positive that reaction will be.
Once again, Winston Peters has his finger on the political pulse like no one else. He would have gone to sleep a happy man last night. He’d upset the media and he’d been given even more campaign oxygen. That just means more votes for him.
Peter Williams was a writer and broadcaster for half a century. Now watching from the sidelines. Peter blogs regularly on Peter’s Substack - where this article was sourced.
We all know that Maori did not originate in New Zealand. That is indisputable.
But some dictionary writers over the years have changed the meaning of the word.
The rather woke Merriam- Webster Dictionary describes indigenous people as “of or relating to the earliest known inhabitants of a place and especially of a place that was colonised by a now dominant group.”
The use of the word has become highly politicized because if we accept that Australian aboriginals are indigenous to that land, and that Chinese and Japanese and Indian ethnicities are indigenous to their lands, then Māori cannot by the same definition be called indigenous to these lands.
They were the original settlers, the original colonisers, if you like. The fact that there were no other inhabitants here before them is irrelevant in the context of this argument. The great Polynesian migration of the 13th century was a colonizing expedition, making claim to land that no one else lived on.
Yes, many claim there is archeological evidence to say there were other people here before Māori arrived but that’s never been properly or academically verified.
Therefore Winston Peters, he of the Scottish father and Māori mother, says that Māori come from Hawai-iki, apparently somewhere Rarotonga, and “we are not from here.”
It’s a line that will appeal to many in this election campaign but it hasn’t taken long for hackles to rise. Stuff reported last night that their reporter had asked Winston Peters after his speech if “that view might be upsetting to some?”
What a strange question. Is Stuff now in the business of absorbing offence for people who disagree with a politician ? Can’t we receive ideas without being upset ? In the warped world of Stuff it would seem the answer is no.
Peters was on the case real fast referring to what he had said in his speech as “the truth.” And he continued “I am from that background, we know we’re not indigenous and we don’t believe in bulldust.”
Then he was asked about how his whanau would react to hearing his comments. Winston was in fine fettle. “They believe in truths, not myths.”
This was Peters at his bellicose and belligerent, populist best. The wet and the woke are horrified, including Christopher Luxon who has said he disagrees with Peters. Maybe when Luxon went school he was good at economics and accounting but not so much at English vocabulary.
I have a suggestion for Mr Luxon. Just say Winston is right. You’ll be surprised at how positive that reaction will be.
Once again, Winston Peters has his finger on the political pulse like no one else. He would have gone to sleep a happy man last night. He’d upset the media and he’d been given even more campaign oxygen. That just means more votes for him.
Peter Williams was a writer and broadcaster for half a century. Now watching from the sidelines. Peter blogs regularly on Peter’s Substack - where this article was sourced.
16 comments:
There is also the question of blood mix. If I am part Maori, part Irish, part Chinese and part Indian does that mean I am indigenous to all of those countries? Or should we have degrees of indigenousness? What a load of you know what.
Not only not indigenous, but the 1975 Treaty of Waitangi Act, Waitangi Tribunal, Principles and Partnership statues, all co-governance arrangements and the He Puapua document gone by lunchtime.
On the 8th June 2005 Peters read his private members bill:
"I move that the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Deletion Bill be now read for the first time".
This bill seeked to remove all references to the undefined and divisive term "The Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi" from legislation. The bill was lost.
'What's in it for me'... Winnie just has nothing to loose.
Awh, Peter, don't you realise, if Maori claim they're indigenous, they are. Just like those that are a mere fraction Maori, if they identify as the latter they are. It's like gender and everything else these days wrapped up in 'identity' , utter nonsense and divisive in the extreme. One day we will wake up and all call this bs out for what it is. Dr Suess summed it up years ago with his Sneetches.
But meantime, idiotic, woke msm will keep pandering to it and do things like name every part-Maori's past tribal (only) affiliations thinking it means something. It doesn't to the vast majority (other than those that perhaps want to seek utu?) and, strangely, they don't seem to reference Black Power, Mongrel Mob et al, which is now clearly generational? It'd all be a great joke, if it wasn't so polarising and discordant.
Bravo Winston for plain speaking.
But it is precisely the woke dithering (e.g. Luxon) and the obdurate disputing of the indisputable (e.g. Iwi) which seem to have prevailed to date.
NZ First will be a crucial player for NZ's survival in 2024 -26 ( and beyond(.
Maori tell us, who, when and where , even down to the boat name, they arrived in NZ.
This was 300 years after the French did the same, arriving in England.
Neither group are indigenous.
Once again, Luxon shows he's only a caretaker leader who needs to be replaced as soon as possible if the real fight against racism and wokeness is to be progressed.
Too long in woke corporate land, along with his co-leader and much of the proposed National cabinet, he's beyond hope and will certainly not deliver the transformational government many will be demanding.
I think this article needs to be read along with Barrie Davis' article yesterday 'Marangi Mai and the Doctrine of Deceit". Until I read the Davis article I did not realize how terribly important this issue is for the future of NZ.
Winston has simplified and popularized something extremely important which is we must be removed from UNDRIP which Key sneakily signed us up to. Winston understands the awful consequences if we don't.
Ehmmm... yes... Winston can always be relied on to say the right thing when a vote is in the offing. It pays to remember what a well respected independent journalist recently said on this blog site and I quote:
Blogger Graham Adams said...
Winston Peters is completely cynical. Four months before he discovered that the Wellington protesters were supported by perhaps 30% of NZers, he tweeted "No jab, no job!" He saw votes for the plucking and he was suddenly off to Wellington.
His history of betraying his voters is extensive – right back to 1996 when he put Bolger into office again after strongly implying he was going to put him into Opposition.
David Seymour objects to Winston Peters claiming he knew nothing about He Puapua when he was at the Cabinet meeting in 2019 where it was approved, and at several other Cabinet meetings when it was discussed.
September 8, 2023 at 11:39 PM
The coalition process will make all this clear, if Luxon is right then NZF will with their "lucky to be over 5%" stand at the back of line. However Luxon might be disappointed to discover that his hand is somewhat weaker. Not many weeks to know who is correct.
The naysayers can bleat about Winston all they like but he has always had a consistent position on his policies. One NZ for all New Zealanders. No racism and his social policies are well balanced as well.
Peter, you and Cam and Bob Jones are my favourites on here at the moment.
Thanks to all of you for helping to keep us sane through the utter madness of the remnants of this most useless and disgusting government.
Luxon is sitting on a barbed-wire fence and is drooling at the thought of pumping the property market and destroying any quality of life for our young people who have no chance to get ahead. I hope he's getting a sore ass.
Our biggest obligation this election is to vote for those who pledge to deconstruct the Maorification of everything and wonderfulness of co-governance. That leaves only two choices. And one is definitely not the Maori Party which has hard core racist policies that benefit one race only, funded of course by everyone.
Willie Jackson et al are very worried about the gravy train leaving the station. Choo choo...chuff chuff chuff chuff...
MC
Well winston can get away with it. If he was white he would be crucified by the media. Good on him.for saying that 2 +2=4 .
Hawaiian's must produce evidence that they are a minimum of 25% Hawaiian ancestry for them to have
any acknowledgment of their heritage.
They cannot get any privileges unless they are.
Peter, you say the first Natives to New Zealand were the Maori. I do believe the Moriori were here long before them.
CORPORATE MAORI ARE ALL ABOUT ROBBING THE TAXPAYER ON A CONTINUEING BASIS.
Winston is right Maori were not here first.
If you bring this up with certain Maori they will say " but the Moriori are just different Maori"
The biggest concern for New Zealand is that the National/Act coalition will just beat the same drum when it comes to race based politics. It's a pity really as being a National supporter this puts me off voting for them.Frankly a large proportion of Maori and the rest of the country are sick of this BS.
Most people are scared to speak out but the sooner they do the better off the country will be. Same goes for climate change just another woke agenda being pushed by major parties. I say wake up!, before its too late.
Chris
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